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Tiamat101 · 17 Mar 2011, 06:20

I have proposed the following 2 changes:
Cutlass t1->fi t2->co
Smuggler t1 -> fr t2-De

Would make zik somewhat more playable. It helps fix the self steals that zik has now:
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=vq4r30h4adupdev
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=81izyc20t5rr0b3

Also the changes would help zik Co deal with all the fi that will be flying around, it closes the free steal on xan co and makes them t1 phantoms.

As for the smuggler since its t1 is DE and there are only 5 DE ships(aside from pods/sk's) and out of those 3 of them are zik and the only de roiding fleet, one of them doesnt target de at all, and the 3rd is spirit which t2's De. So please god why is it t1 De. When classes T1 themselves it only begs to be suicide def from smaller planets. Changing smuggler to Fr/de means it will pack a punch vs those etd/xan fr's instead of it just being wimpy calcs:

http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=um3is9v0o0uszth
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=lwqd27ahyuiymm4
Both VERY sketchy for zik De and considering that etd and xan fr are quite possible the best matchups for zik De its still not that good. Switching the target on smuggler will GREATly help them.

Aside from everything the stats will be fi dominated. Fr might put up a fighting chance for a bit, but will eventually be overrun by Fi.
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=hik0h4okkr5er8l
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=iymm4rc75x4d2r3
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=1p1njieirqm6bbh

The 3 Xan Fr match ups vs fi. All losses by any reasonable standard.

As for etd fr:
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=rx4vpl28r33tuvt
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=ept3kr6imgfbe98
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=hyuiymm4rc75x4d

So Fr might be ok in OVERWHELMING numbers but because of eta advantage on the fi it will naturally go in the favor of fi.

This might be fixed by changing shadow or pillager to have T1 fi prolly the pillager make it fi/fr/co the opposite of the shadow co/fr/fi. This will make the fr team up stronger vs the fi as neither of them t1's fi.

As far as the cr/bs goes cath/ter/etd team ups are going to hard to beat. Cath are very strong actually the scorp is better as a kill ship because only the clipper targets cr. As for the Locust in a round of fi/co
most allys will be using fr as def. The emping power of locust is very good(not overly strong either). Wyvren if bad init is a VERY strong ship that packs a big punch, and since Tycoon is good init it will stop the scorpion defs that may happen. but i can not see cr/bs being any sort of viable alliance plan.

So we are back to cath/etd/ter fi team up, and for later in the round they have the option to do a very good cr/bs team up.

My opinion is if stats stay the way they are ETD fi will dominate second to Ter Fi and 3rd to either xan/etd fr. Cath isnt that good as a top planet option, it will as always make a good xp whoring race mono beets. Zik might be a wildcard race but dont expect to get much out of it.

Etd/Ter Highvalue high roid planets
Xan: good support
Zik Wild card
Cath silver bullet race will make great team up partners but otherwise not gona be that usefull on there own.

Feel free to object to any or all of this but dont just say "your stupid" if you have a point Make it.

17 Mar 2011, 06:20	#44
Tiamat101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 846	Re: Round 41 Stats I have proposed the following 2 changes: Cutlass t1->fi t2->co Smuggler t1 -> fr t2-De Would make zik somewhat more playable. It helps fix the self steals that zik has now: http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=vq4r30h4adupdev http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=81izyc20t5rr0b3 Also the changes would help zik Co deal with all the fi that will be flying around, it closes the free steal on xan co and makes them t1 phantoms. As for the smuggler since its t1 is DE and there are only 5 DE ships(aside from pods/sk's) and out of those 3 of them are zik and the only de roiding fleet, one of them doesnt target de at all, and the 3rd is spirit which t2's De. So please god why is it t1 De. When classes T1 themselves it only begs to be suicide def from smaller planets. Changing smuggler to Fr/de means it will pack a punch vs those etd/xan fr's instead of it just being wimpy calcs: http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=um3is9v0o0uszth http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=lwqd27ahyuiymm4 Both VERY sketchy for zik De and considering that etd and xan fr are quite possible the best matchups for zik De its still not that good. Switching the target on smuggler will GREATly help them. Aside from everything the stats will be fi dominated. Fr might put up a fighting chance for a bit, but will eventually be overrun by Fi. http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=hik0h4okkr5er8l http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=iymm4rc75x4d2r3 http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=1p1njieirqm6bbh The 3 Xan Fr match ups vs fi. All losses by any reasonable standard. As for etd fr: http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=rx4vpl28r33tuvt http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=ept3kr6imgfbe98 http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=hyuiymm4rc75x4d So Fr might be ok in OVERWHELMING numbers but because of eta advantage on the fi it will naturally go in the favor of fi. This might be fixed by changing shadow or pillager to have T1 fi prolly the pillager make it fi/fr/co the opposite of the shadow co/fr/fi. This will make the fr team up stronger vs the fi as neither of them t1's fi. As far as the cr/bs goes cath/ter/etd team ups are going to hard to beat. Cath are very strong actually the scorp is better as a kill ship because only the clipper targets cr. As for the Locust in a round of fi/co most allys will be using fr as def. The emping power of locust is very good(not overly strong either). Wyvren if bad init is a VERY strong ship that packs a big punch, and since Tycoon is good init it will stop the scorpion defs that may happen. but i can not see cr/bs being any sort of viable alliance plan. So we are back to cath/etd/ter fi team up, and for later in the round they have the option to do a very good cr/bs team up. My opinion is if stats stay the way they are ETD fi will dominate second to Ter Fi and 3rd to either xan/etd fr. Cath isnt that good as a top planet option, it will as always make a good xp whoring race mono beets. Zik might be a wildcard race but dont expect to get much out of it. Etd/Ter Highvalue high roid planets Xan: good support Zik Wild card Cath silver bullet race will make great team up partners but otherwise not gona be that usefull on there own. Feel free to object to any or all of this but dont just say "your stupid" if you have a point Make it.