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Re: Yet another set of stats

Not really seeing the big deal around De. Yeah, it's good, but not amazing. That said, I do see a problem with Ter also having the best anti-De ship. That should probably be some other race. Wyvern Init 8, Dragon Init 5, Tycoon Init 9, Dreadnaught Init 5 would fix that.

Ter/Etd Bs teamups have no counter, Ter and Etd perfectly cover the classes with their low init ships. I'd suggest ensuring there's a Cr that prefires both fleets. Maybe swap the types on Zik Cr? Ziks really don't want to steal Bs anyway, De is much better to get. Pirate T1 De, T2 --, Rogue T1 Fr, T2 Bs?

(Sidenote: the Zik setup in general is a bit annoying. Both attack fleets must fire at Bs, but neither wants to steal it, so that means you need 2 Zik kill ships firing at Bs already. It's too late for the large-scale overhaul it would take to rectify that, though, and to be frank, it's not really a huge deal anyway.)

Cat/Zik Cr is a good combo as always. Little worried that the above suggestions make it overly strong, but not really sure how to fix that. Buccaneer prefiring Pirate makes Fr/De too strong, and one of the Bs fleets prefiring Zik Cr makes Bs too strong. The only option I see is by making Fi the de-facto anti-De class, then Bs can be the anti-Cr class instead of the anti-De class. Co already has to deal with Spider, Cutter and Widow, and even the Ghost to an extent. I dunno.

And I just noticed Etd has a Fr fleet too, which can't roid anything solo. Etd Co/Fr looks like a strong defensive option, though, and Fr/De teams are very strong, so maybe that's OK.

Oh, and:

Running simple check for Ter De...
Ter De does not roid Ter:
- Attacker Drake beats defender Phoenix: Drake has init 7, Phoenix has init 9
- Defender Wyvern beats attacker Gryphon: Wyvern has init 5, Gryphon has init 8
Ter De roids Cat:
- Attacker Drake beats defender Viper: Drake is Ter and resists EMP
- Attacker Gryphon beats defender Roach: Gryphon is Ter and resists EMP
Ter De does not roid Xan:
- Attacker Pegasus beats defender Banshee: Pegasus has init 5, Banshee has init 6
- Defender Spectre beats attacker Gryphon: Spectre has init 6, Gryphon has init 8
- Defender Peacekeeper beats attacker Gryphon: Peacekeeper has init 4, Gryphon has init 8
Ter De roids Zik:
- Attacker Gryphon beats defender Pirate: Gryphon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
Ter De does not roid Etd:
- Defender Lancer beats attacker Drake: Lancer has init 5, Drake has init 7
- Attacker Gryphon beats defender Dreadnaught: Gryphon has init 8, Dreadnaught has init 9

Running simple check for Ter Bs...
Ter Bs roids Ter:
- Attacker Wyvern beats defender Gryphon: Wyvern has init 5, Gryphon has init 8
Ter Bs does not roid Cat:
- Defender Locust beats attacker Dragon: Locust has init 7, Dragon has init 8
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Tarantula: Dragon is Ter and resists EMP
Ter Bs does not roid Xan:
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Revanant: Dragon has init 8, Revanant has init 9
- Defender Spectre beats attacker Dragon: Spectre has init 6, Dragon has init 8
Ter Bs roids Zik:
- Attacker Wyvern beats defender Clipper: Wyvern has init 5, Clipper has init 7
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Pirate: Dragon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
Ter Bs roids Etd:
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Thief: Dragon has init 8, Thief has init 19

Running simple check for Cat Co...
Cat Co does not roid Ter:
- Defender Harpy beats attacker Beetle: Harpy is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Drake beats attacker Viper: Drake is Ter and resists EMP
Cat Co does not roid Cat:
- Attacker Beetle beats defender Spider: Beetle has init 1, Spider has init 2
- Defender Widow beats attacker Viper: Widow has init 1, Viper has init 3
Cat Co roids Xan:
- Attacker Beetle beats defender Phantom: Beetle has init 1, Phantom has init 4
- Attacker Viper beats defender Bomber: Viper has init 3, Bomber has init 8
Cat Co roids Zik:
- Attacker Beetle beats defender Corsair: Beetle has init 1, Corsair has init 20
- Attacker Viper beats defender Cutter: Viper has init 3, Cutter has init 4
Cat Co does not roid Etd:
- Defender Recluse beats attacker Viper: Recluse has init 2, Viper has init 3

Running simple check for Cat Cr...
Cat Cr does not roid Ter:
- Defender Gryphon beats attacker Roach: Gryphon is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Tarantula: Dragon is Ter and resists EMP
Cat Cr roids Cat:
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Locust: Tarantula has init 1, Locust has init 7
Cat Cr roids Xan:
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Bomber: Tarantula has init 1, Bomber has init 8
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Peacekeeper: Tarantula has init 1, Peacekeeper has init 4
Cat Cr roids Zik:
- Attacker Roach beats defender Buccaneer: Roach has init 2, Buccaneer has init 19
Cat Cr roids Etd:
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Executive: Tarantula has init 1, Executive has init 7
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Tycoon: Tarantula has init 1, Tycoon has init 5

Running simple check for Xan Fi...
Xan Fi does not roid Ter:
- Defender Pegasus beats attacker Banshee: Pegasus has init 5, Banshee has init 6
Xan Fi does not roid Cat:
- Defender Beetle beats attacker Phantom: Beetle has init 1, Phantom has init 4
Xan Fi does not roid Xan:
- Defender Ghost beats attacker Banshee: Ghost has init 5, Banshee has init 6
Xan Fi roids Zik:
- Attacker Phantom beats defender Cutlass: Phantom has init 4, Cutlass has init 21
- Attacker Banshee beats defender Buccaneer: Banshee has init 6, Buccaneer has init 19
Xan Fi roids Etd:
- Attacker Phantom beats defender Lancer: Phantom has init 4, Lancer has init 5
- Attacker Banshee beats defender Executive: Banshee has init 6, Executive has init 7

Running simple check for Xan Fr...
Xan Fr does not roid Ter:
- Attacker Bomber beats defender Phoenix: Bomber has init 8, Phoenix has init 9
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Revanant: Dragon has init 8, Revanant has init 9
Xan Fr does not roid Cat:
- Defender Viper beats attacker Bomber: Viper has init 3, Bomber has init 8
- Defender Tarantula beats attacker Bomber: Tarantula has init 1, Bomber has init 8
Xan Fr roids Xan:
- Attacker Ghost beats defender Banshee: Ghost has init 5, Banshee has init 6
Xan Fr does not roid Zik:
- Attacker Ghost beats defender Corsair: Ghost has init 5, Corsair has init 20
- Defender Rogue beats attacker Bomber: Rogue has init 5, Bomber has init 8
Xan Fr does not roid Etd:
- Defender Vendor beats attacker Bomber: Vendor has init 1, Bomber has init 8
- Defender Tycoon beats attacker Revanant: Tycoon has init 5, Revanant has init 9

Running simple check for Zik De...
Zik De does not roid Ter:
- Attacker Cutter beats defender Phoenix: Cutter has init 4, Phoenix has init 9
- Defender Wyvern beats attacker Clipper: Wyvern has init 5, Clipper has init 7
Zik De does not roid Cat:
- Defender Viper beats attacker Cutter: Viper has init 3, Cutter has init 4
- Defender Roach beats attacker Buccaneer: Roach has init 2, Buccaneer has init 19
Zik De does not roid Xan:
- Defender Banshee beats attacker Buccaneer: Banshee has init 6, Buccaneer has init 19
- Defender Spectre beats attacker Buccaneer: Spectre has init 6, Buccaneer has init 19
- Defender Peacekeeper beats attacker Clipper: Peacekeeper has init 4, Clipper has init 7
Zik De does not roid Zik:
- Defender Pirate beats attacker Buccaneer: Pirate has init 18, Buccaneer has init 19
Zik De roids Etd:
- Attacker Cutter beats defender Lancer: Cutter has init 4, Lancer has init 5
- Attacker Clipper beats defender Dreadnaught: Clipper has init 7, Dreadnaught has init 9

Running simple check for Zik Cr...
Zik Cr does not roid Ter:
- Defender Gryphon beats attacker Pirate: Gryphon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Pirate: Dragon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
Zik Cr roids Cat:
- Attacker Rogue beats defender Locust: Rogue has init 5, Locust has init 7
Zik Cr does not roid Xan:
- Attacker Rogue beats defender Bomber: Rogue has init 5, Bomber has init 8
- Defender Peacekeeper beats attacker Pirate: Peacekeeper has init 4, Pirate has init 18
Zik Cr roids Zik:
- Attacker Pirate beats defender Buccaneer: Pirate has init 18, Buccaneer has init 19
Zik Cr does not roid Etd:
- Attacker Rogue beats defender Executive: Rogue has init 5, Executive has init 7
- Defender Tycoon beats attacker Pirate: Tycoon has init 5, Pirate has init 18

Running simple check for Etd Co...
Etd Co roids Ter:
- Attacker Lancer beats defender Harpy: Lancer has init 5, Harpy has init 7
- Attacker Lancer beats defender Drake: Lancer has init 5, Drake has init 7
Etd Co does not roid Cat:
- Defender Spider beats attacker Lancer: Spider has init 2, Lancer has init 5
- Defender Widow beats attacker Lancer: Widow has init 1, Lancer has init 5
Etd Co does not roid Xan:
- Defender Phantom beats attacker Lancer: Phantom has init 4, Lancer has init 5
- Attacker Vendor beats defender Bomber: Vendor has init 1, Bomber has init 8
Etd Co does not roid Zik:
- Attacker Lancer beats defender Corsair: Lancer has init 5, Corsair has init 20
- Defender Cutter beats attacker Lancer: Cutter has init 4, Lancer has init 5
Etd Co roids Etd:
- Attacker Vendor beats defender Recluse: Vendor has init 1, Recluse has init 2

Running simple check for Etd Fr...
Etd Fr does not roid Ter:
- Defender Phoenix beats attacker Recluse: Phoenix is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Thief: Dragon has init 8, Thief has init 19
Etd Fr does not roid Cat:
- Attacker Recluse beats defender Viper: Recluse has init 2, Viper has init 3
- Defender Tarantula beats attacker Executive: Tarantula has init 1, Executive has init 7
Etd Fr does not roid Xan:
- Defender Banshee beats attacker Executive: Banshee has init 6, Executive has init 7
Etd Fr does not roid Zik:
- Attacker Executive beats defender Corsair: Executive has init 7, Corsair has init 20
- Defender Rogue beats attacker Executive: Rogue has init 5, Executive has init 7
Etd Fr does not roid Etd:
- Defender Vendor beats attacker Recluse: Vendor has init 1, Recluse has init 2
- Defender Tycoon beats attacker Thief: Tycoon has init 5, Thief has init 19

Running simple check for Etd Bs...
Etd Bs does not roid Ter:
- Defender Gryphon beats attacker Dreadnaught: Gryphon has init 8, Dreadnaught has init 9
Etd Bs does not roid Cat:
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Locust: Tycoon has init 5, Locust has init 7
- Defender Tarantula beats attacker Tycoon: Tarantula has init 1, Tycoon has init 5
Etd Bs roids Xan:
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Revanant: Tycoon has init 5, Revanant has init 9
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Spectre: Tycoon has init 5, Spectre has init 6
Etd Bs does not roid Zik:
- Defender Clipper beats attacker Dreadnaught: Clipper has init 7, Dreadnaught has init 9
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Pirate: Tycoon has init 5, Pirate has init 18
Etd Bs roids Etd:
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Thief: Tycoon has init 5, Thief has init 19

Running simple check for Fi teamups...
Fi teamups do not roid Ter:
- Defender Pegasus beats attacker Banshee: Pegasus has init 5, Banshee has init 6
Fi teamups do not roid Cat:
- Defender Beetle beats attacker Phantom: Beetle has init 1, Phantom has init 4
Fi teamups do not roid Xan:
- Defender Ghost beats attacker Banshee: Ghost has init 5, Banshee has init 6
Fi teamups roid Zik:
- Attacker Phantom beats defender Cutlass: Phantom has init 4, Cutlass has init 21
- Attacker Banshee beats defender Buccaneer: Banshee has init 6, Buccaneer has init 19
Fi teamups roid Etd:
- Attacker Phantom beats defender Lancer: Phantom has init 4, Lancer has init 5
- Attacker Banshee beats defender Executive: Banshee has init 6, Executive has init 7

Running simple check for Co teamups...
Co teamups roid Ter:
- Defender Harpy beats attacker Beetle: Harpy is Ter and resists EMP
- Attacker Lancer beats defender Harpy: Lancer has init 5, Harpy has init 7
- Defender Drake beats attacker Viper: Drake is Ter and resists EMP
- Attacker Lancer beats defender Drake: Lancer has init 5, Drake has init 7
Co teamups do not roid Cat:
- Attacker Beetle beats defender Spider: Beetle has init 1, Spider has init 2
- Defender Spider beats attacker Lancer: Spider has init 2, Lancer has init 5
- Defender Widow beats attacker Viper: Widow has init 1, Viper has init 3
- Defender Widow beats attacker Lancer: Widow has init 1, Lancer has init 5
Co teamups roid Xan:
- Attacker Beetle beats defender Phantom: Beetle has init 1, Phantom has init 4
- Defender Phantom beats attacker Lancer: Phantom has init 4, Lancer has init 5
- Attacker Viper beats defender Bomber: Viper has init 3, Bomber has init 8
- Attacker Vendor beats defender Bomber: Vendor has init 1, Bomber has init 8
Co teamups roid Zik:
- Attacker Beetle beats defender Corsair: Beetle has init 1, Corsair has init 20
- Attacker Lancer beats defender Corsair: Lancer has init 5, Corsair has init 20
- Attacker Viper beats defender Cutter: Viper has init 3, Cutter has init 4
- Defender Cutter beats attacker Lancer: Cutter has init 4, Lancer has init 5
Co teamups roid Etd:
- Defender Recluse beats attacker Viper: Recluse has init 2, Viper has init 3
- Attacker Vendor beats defender Recluse: Vendor has init 1, Recluse has init 2

Running simple check for Fr teamups...
Fr teamups do not roid Ter:
- Attacker Bomber beats defender Phoenix: Bomber has init 8, Phoenix has init 9
- Defender Phoenix beats attacker Recluse: Phoenix is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Revanant: Dragon has init 8, Revanant has init 9
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Thief: Dragon has init 8, Thief has init 19
Fr teamups do not roid Cat:
- Defender Viper beats attacker Bomber: Viper has init 3, Bomber has init 8
- Attacker Recluse beats defender Viper: Recluse has init 2, Viper has init 3
- Defender Tarantula beats attacker Bomber: Tarantula has init 1, Bomber has init 8
- Defender Tarantula beats attacker Executive: Tarantula has init 1, Executive has init 7
Fr teamups roid Xan:
- Attacker Ghost beats defender Banshee: Ghost has init 5, Banshee has init 6
- Defender Banshee beats attacker Executive: Banshee has init 6, Executive has init 7
Fr teamups do not roid Zik:
- Attacker Ghost beats defender Corsair: Ghost has init 5, Corsair has init 20
- Attacker Executive beats defender Corsair: Executive has init 7, Corsair has init 20
- Defender Rogue beats attacker Bomber: Rogue has init 5, Bomber has init 8
- Defender Rogue beats attacker Executive: Rogue has init 5, Executive has init 7
Fr teamups do not roid Etd:
- Defender Vendor beats attacker Bomber: Vendor has init 1, Bomber has init 8
- Defender Vendor beats attacker Recluse: Vendor has init 1, Recluse has init 2
- Defender Tycoon beats attacker Revanant: Tycoon has init 5, Revanant has init 9
- Defender Tycoon beats attacker Thief: Tycoon has init 5, Thief has init 19

Running simple check for De teamups...
De teamups do not roid Ter:
- Attacker Drake beats defender Phoenix: Drake has init 7, Phoenix has init 9
- Attacker Cutter beats defender Phoenix: Cutter has init 4, Phoenix has init 9
- Defender Wyvern beats attacker Gryphon: Wyvern has init 5, Gryphon has init 8
- Defender Wyvern beats attacker Clipper: Wyvern has init 5, Clipper has init 7
De teamups roid Cat:
- Attacker Drake beats defender Viper: Drake is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Viper beats attacker Cutter: Viper has init 3, Cutter has init 4
- Attacker Gryphon beats defender Roach: Gryphon is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Roach beats attacker Buccaneer: Roach has init 2, Buccaneer has init 19
De teamups do not roid Xan:
- Attacker Pegasus beats defender Banshee: Pegasus has init 5, Banshee has init 6
- Defender Banshee beats attacker Buccaneer: Banshee has init 6, Buccaneer has init 19
- Defender Spectre beats attacker Gryphon: Spectre has init 6, Gryphon has init 8
- Defender Spectre beats attacker Buccaneer: Spectre has init 6, Buccaneer has init 19
- Defender Peacekeeper beats attacker Gryphon: Peacekeeper has init 4, Gryphon has init 8
- Defender Peacekeeper beats attacker Clipper: Peacekeeper has init 4, Clipper has init 7
De teamups roid Zik:
- Attacker Gryphon beats defender Pirate: Gryphon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
- Defender Pirate beats attacker Buccaneer: Pirate has init 18, Buccaneer has init 19
De teamups roid Etd:
- Defender Lancer beats attacker Drake: Lancer has init 5, Drake has init 7
- Attacker Cutter beats defender Lancer: Cutter has init 4, Lancer has init 5
- Attacker Gryphon beats defender Dreadnaught: Gryphon has init 8, Dreadnaught has init 9
- Attacker Clipper beats defender Dreadnaught: Clipper has init 7, Dreadnaught has init 9

Running simple check for Cr teamups...
Cr teamups do not roid Ter:
- Defender Gryphon beats attacker Roach: Gryphon is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Gryphon beats attacker Pirate: Gryphon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Tarantula: Dragon is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Dragon beats attacker Pirate: Dragon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
Cr teamups roid Cat:
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Locust: Tarantula has init 1, Locust has init 7
- Attacker Rogue beats defender Locust: Rogue has init 5, Locust has init 7
Cr teamups roid Xan:
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Bomber: Tarantula has init 1, Bomber has init 8
- Attacker Rogue beats defender Bomber: Rogue has init 5, Bomber has init 8
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Peacekeeper: Tarantula has init 1, Peacekeeper has init 4
- Defender Peacekeeper beats attacker Pirate: Peacekeeper has init 4, Pirate has init 18
Cr teamups roid Zik:
- Attacker Roach beats defender Buccaneer: Roach has init 2, Buccaneer has init 19
- Attacker Pirate beats defender Buccaneer: Pirate has init 18, Buccaneer has init 19
Cr teamups roid Etd:
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Executive: Tarantula has init 1, Executive has init 7
- Attacker Rogue beats defender Executive: Rogue has init 5, Executive has init 7
- Attacker Tarantula beats defender Tycoon: Tarantula has init 1, Tycoon has init 5
- Defender Tycoon beats attacker Pirate: Tycoon has init 5, Pirate has init 18

Running simple check for Bs teamups...
Bs teamups roid Ter:
- Attacker Wyvern beats defender Gryphon: Wyvern has init 5, Gryphon has init 8
- Defender Gryphon beats attacker Dreadnaught: Gryphon has init 8, Dreadnaught has init 9
Bs teamups roid Cat:
- Defender Locust beats attacker Dragon: Locust has init 7, Dragon has init 8
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Locust: Tycoon has init 5, Locust has init 7
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Tarantula: Dragon is Ter and resists EMP
- Defender Tarantula beats attacker Tycoon: Tarantula has init 1, Tycoon has init 5
Bs teamups roid Xan:
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Revanant: Dragon has init 8, Revanant has init 9
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Revanant: Tycoon has init 5, Revanant has init 9
- Defender Spectre beats attacker Dragon: Spectre has init 6, Dragon has init 8
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Spectre: Tycoon has init 5, Spectre has init 6
Bs teamups roid Zik:
- Attacker Wyvern beats defender Clipper: Wyvern has init 5, Clipper has init 7
- Defender Clipper beats attacker Dreadnaught: Clipper has init 7, Dreadnaught has init 9
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Pirate: Dragon has init 8, Pirate has init 18
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Pirate: Tycoon has init 5, Pirate has init 18
Bs teamups roid Etd:
- Attacker Dragon beats defender Thief: Dragon has init 8, Thief has init 19
- Attacker Tycoon beats defender Thief: Tycoon has init 5, Thief has init 19

Code:
|           | Ter   | Cat   | Xan   | Zik   | Etd   | Lands |
| Ter De    |       | roids |       | roids |       |     2 |
| Ter Bs    | roids |       |       | roids |       |     2 |
| Cat Co    |       |       | roids | roids |       |     2 |
| Cat Cr    |       | roids | roids | roids |       |     3 |
| Xan Fi    |       |       |       | roids | roids |     2 |
| Xan Fr    |       |       | roids |       |       |     1 |
| Zik De    |       |       |       |       | roids |     1 |
| Zik Cr    |       | roids |       | roids |       |     2 |
| Etd Co    | roids |       |       |       | roids |     2 |
| Etd Fr    |       |       |       |       |       |     0 |
| Etd Bs    |       |       | roids |       | roids |     2 |
| Landed on | 2     | 3     | 4     | 6     | 4     |       |
Code:
|           | Ter   | Cat   | Xan   | Zik   | Etd   | Lands |
| Fi        |       |       |       | roids | roids |     2 |
| Co        | roids |       | roids | roids | roids |     4 |
| Fr        |       |       | roids |       |       |     1 |
| De        |       | roids |       | roids | roids |     3 |
| Cr        |       | roids | roids | roids | roids |     4 |
| Bs        | roids | roids | roids | roids | roids |     5 |
| Landed on | 2     | 3     | 4     | 5     | 5     |       |
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