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Who else are wanting the win? Faceless tried, dunno about CT and p3ng. p3ng atleast seemed more on ult side at some point and also rather aiming to gather lower tier tag roids.
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don't worry butch3r all 200 players from ult tag had a good lol when you applied to join :up:
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Alliances and cheating
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Imo he is only spreading everyone's thoughts, and as long we don't have proper tools, they will not get 'convicted'. I suggest we better start playing HoN with newt. |
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I've been extremely restrained over the past couple of years (because there hasn't been much of a problem overall as I see it, some disagree) but if a user complains, has a fair point, I give out a warning and it's not heeded then this is as straightforward as it comes. As with every ban someone gets unhappy but I'm just here to maintain a level of civility. |
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Atm Astatores is 19 planets, and yes they are a Ultores support tag based on what someone told me. So is this a accusation of them having multi accounts? No. Is this me trolling and throwing unwarranted lies? No. Are YOU breaking normal moderating guidelines from my view? Yes. If you do lack obvious information i recommend you contact me on IRC the next time you are unsure what gibberish im writing here, and we can talk it through if anything is unclear. |
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Clouds DID get escorted by numerous planets last round wich DID get closed. Everyone knows this except Lokken apparently, and Lokken is acting like a retatd asking for proofs for this as he knows MHs wont give out informastion about planet closure. That lokken is actualy asking for proofs should be regarded as trolling, and he should be the one banned. |
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!prop suggest Ban Butcher from the forums permanently
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!prop vote yes
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I have never known anyone, in real life or on the internet, quite like Butch3r. It's not a secret that he has had a personal vendetta towards me from the TGV days (prior to cheating accusations), and he will use ANYTHING to weaponise this bitterness.
There has been more infamous players than me who have been accused of cheating, yet he keeps on this path of bitterness. It's quite sad really. I've reported you for the first time in my Planetarion history because I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of your toxic behaviour. And I won't engage in one of your crippled trolling debates, so if you plan to respond with something idiotic, don't bother. I've stopped playing now so there's no need to continue your little crusade. |
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But generally looking at this thread people on all sides need to settle their differences, move on, and play the game. The bitterness in game is too much, in my opinion.For this thread, everyone needs to cool off, and stay on topic. |
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http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...ndi99k5or6ingj this is the scan link showing these planets was closed |
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http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...fakescanidhere
(I'm not saying you faked those scan IDs. I'm saying we can't tell whether you did or not.) |
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Lokken can contact the MHs and ask them if they will deliver him the "real proofs". He asked for the scan links, he got them. And yes they are obviously real. |
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I gave away the scan urls/info to various people last round, and im sure if they gave a f*ck they would come here and backup the story. Be it BowS people, or CT/Ult, or even BF. If Lokken wants to delete my posts claiming im lying/trolling, atleast he should speak to his fellow PA "staffers" before banning someone. I dont see anyone banning Clouds/whoever who keeps spreading lies here that "there was no cheating" when planets kept getting closed, in mass numbers. |
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Out of curiosity, what do you hope to achieve by continuing to discuss these cheating accusations of me? I no longer play, and I won't play again in the future. This thread is subjected "R65", and I have no relevance to this round what-so-ever, so keep on topic or shut up.
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You were the one who started this whole discussion regarding past round cheating. I just followed up on this, saying you are a liar. Quote:
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I think oils input is needed here.
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*Rises from unimaginably awkward yoga position and studiously returns "How to be the worlds biggest faggot with a thesaurus" to the bookshelf*
Oh gosh, I... Well thank you. I have unfortunately been unable to read the forums as of late, due to irl commitments to hunters almost gf, but if you would kindly provide me with a summary of events, I will happily give my opinion on Clouds' blatant massive cheating. |
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EDIT: Use this tool and you can confirm that all planets within the tag were legit: http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=1&round=64 Some nicks were aliased, like Cheetos and Frazzles, but they were the Asian team trying to wind Nelito up. If you want their actual nicks, contact Bennett! |
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Chronox admitted cheating, as I said in the previous thread when kicked from bf for complaining about it. You didn't challenge what I said then, the same way you never challenged ult/app for cheating because you knew not to throw stones in glass houses. |
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Using scripts in contemporary online games is used by a large majority of online users, as long as it's not used to drastically give one person advantage over the other, then the developers don't usually care. Planetation is stuck in the stone age where if using such scripts it is considered first degree murder and then you cripples act like judge, jury and executioner. Maybe this was a problem back in 1999 when the vast majority of online users didn't have access to such scripts, but c'mon, we're in 2016. It's no wonder why Planetarion is almost dead. EDIT: what's you're referring to (the use of a scan script) is completely different to what Butch3r is making accusations of (multi/cousin planets), so don't get your wires crossed when they are completely different elements. I've spent far too much time on here already, so I will close this down and check back next week, if I can be bothered. |
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Clear skies.
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During the R60 EORC in the #black-flag channel this occured: [00:06] * Krazzle ([email protected]) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections)) [00:06] * @[BlackFlag] (~BlackFlag@[BlackFlag].users.netgamers.org) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections)) [00:06] * Alysea ([email protected]) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections)) [00:06] * RizZo ([email protected]) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections)) Wich obviously madem e think, heeeey, whats going on here? I had allready accused BF for planting their bots in rainbows to leech intel, due to our sources inside BF and our bot log, so i knew something fishy was going on and that the MH would never ever catch these "mystery" planets. Krazzle ofc, for the next round tried to apply for BowS, and i allready knowing this was a bot planet let him in to keep closer watch of his doings acting like i didnt suspect anything wierd. In the meantime i kept tracking down more "mystery" planets from searching through my IRC logs, and checking the nick up towards the netgamers database(who actualy did say some of these nicks was registred as bots). A few of these planets kept applying for alliances out there, and some of em was rejected due to me warning the HC team of these alliances. CT was kind enough to give me all the coords of a "mystery" tag, Titans, wich accidently contained all of these dubious planets. I let this run for the early parts of the round, untill BF suddently allied this tag ingame, and to stop BF from doing more harm i reported all these planets. The result? RiZZo - ex BF/Titans - 3:3:8 - CLOSED Dave99 - ex BF/Titans - 4:7:4 - CLOSED Rutix - Titans - 7:1:8 - CLOSED Sunflower - ex BF/Titans - 200:2:1 - CLOSED Equalizer - Titans - 200:2:2 - CLOSED Dobby - ex BF/Titans - 200:3:1 - CLOSED Ravana - ex BF/Titans - 200:3:2 - CLOSED FalconSpy - ex BF/Titans - 200:5:3 - CLOSED Pixelz - ex BF/Titans - 200:7:3 - CLOSED Timmy - ex BF/Titans - 200:13:1 - CLOSED Alysea - ex BF/Titans - 200:14:2 - CLOSED Diego - ex BF/Titans - 200:17:2 - CLOSED Krazzle - ex BF/Bows - CLOSED Macwolf - ex BF - 200:7:4 - CLOSED Demp - ex BF/Titans - 1:4:3 - CLOSED unkown - Titans - 7:4:5 - CLOSED unkown - Titans - 200:16:3 - CLOSED Clouds(according to BF members and various intel sources) - BF - 6:7:1 - CLOSED Then i thought my job was done, i was sure BF would not be stupid to try pull this trick again, but last round someone tipped me off that the BF bots had infact reappeared, and give me various coords to these planets. Sevenseas(BF HC that round) said that he had no clue who these planets was, and i thought it was not my job to keep being the moral guardian of planetarion for any longer, untill suddently a bunch of these planet appeared to be lol waving a BowS planet, escorting a planet wich, wierdly enough, was owned by you. After news scanning all these planets, i discovered that they had been escorting you for the entire round basicly. So i went to the MHs once again crying, and yet again all the "mystery" planets got closed and deleted. ---- To put it short, did BF have bots inside their tag? Yes, go check it up with the nick list i just posted. And please just retire from the forum aswell, and spare me for all your lies and idiotic comments. |
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Pretty good!
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Once again, mz is right.
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See, that's alright that post.
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Well stated.
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You're very good at twisting things, I'll give you that.
Just to elaborate so others don't fall into Butch3r's sphere of influence, I already admitted that we had cheating within the Black Flag tag, and I went on to explain that We (ChronoX) cleaned up the cheating within the tag, and we went on to win two rounds without any multis/cousins within the tag. If you need 'proof', use http://beta.planetarion.com/history/history.php and cross check the rounds we won, you will find all planets within the tag were legit and weren't closed. You've been on this vendetta for a while now (even before the accusations), and what exactly have you achieved? Now I'm going to be a little modest here, but we still had decent politics, we still played with a full tag and people who despised Black Flag still worked with us. In essence, you have only swayed a few users on the forums, which had no effect on our rank or achievements what-so-ever. It's like with Apprime, they were infamous cheaters, yet they still won multiple rounds, had a full-tag and had pretty decent politics (probably the best politics). So the moral of the story is; no-one cares so get off your high horse. Quote:
In conclusion; Did Black Flag have a bad reputation? Yes. Did it affect our politics and goals? No. Unlike most other alliances, at least we had the balls to challenge Ultores and not give them an easy win every round. Good luck in NewDawn by the way. |
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Clouds' point is valid. His lame multis caused more harm than good for him and for BF in the rounds they existed. I doubt he was using them the rounds BF won. Also, I don't remember any complains about BF cheating or strange planets in those two rounds they won.
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you know it is a bad day on the forums when BB wtfpwns you clouds.
Problem is there is no real penality or fear factor in cheating. |
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Im not twisting things. You are a cheater, BF were cheaters, and notorious liars. "Oh yes we had numerous bots all the rounds before we won and the one after we won, but none the rounds that we won" People can make up their own opinions wether to belive this is true or not, i obviously dont belive it. "Yes BF used illegale scripts and scan bot, but since _WE_ belived it should be legal we used it anyway. If you disagreed with our views on _CHEATING_ we kicked you" Even though you dont think something should be illegale does NOT make it legal. No, not Everybody accepts cheaters, thinking BF could change was a mistake by BowS/CT who helped them win the rounds they did. For the community i apologize letting them down, some people dont change, and i was wrong to belive the bots was gone. After the run in with Bram and his inc stats/constant mass newsscans of BF to prove you were lying about inc numbers, and the famous screenshot of this wich people have proved to be photoshopped realy tells me i cant, and shouldnt trust anything you ever say. Yes, this game is in a very bad shape. There is very few good HCs left, they will change their values on honesty and fair play of the game based on the situation. CarDi has been caught cheating numerous times, that does not stop the likes of Ultores/Rogues to let him into their alliance or Adapts into CT, and im sure if you ever come back to the game you will be accepted somewhere aswell. Yes i did leave the alliance i founded due to the others wanting to accept one of these individuals who goes down as "unwanted" individuals in my book. Yes i joined ND, i do keep up my playing for my BPs sake. When this round is over im likely to consider your path to retirement as i have no obligitions left in the game. |
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Second, you (intentionally?) leave unresolved the question whether the closed planets outside of the tag were controlled by people with their 'main planet' in the tag. Secondary planets are fairly easy to detect and close, but the main planet is a different story. Just like with farming: farms are easy to get rid of, but the farmers themselves tend to get off with a warning. This is because the MHs have fairly stringent requirements for evidence. Spotting a farm is easy. Proving beyond reasonable doubt that someone controlled said farm is much harder. It may be plain as day for the people who see them first-hand, but when those observations get to the MHs, they have no way of telling if they're fact or fiction. As (ex-)HCs, you and ChronoX have (or had) access to much more information than the MHs do, and it gets to you long before it degrades to the level of hearsay. True, it is not your responsibility to kick cheaters, but that is in the best long-term interest of this game we all profess to enjoy, and play anyway, even if we pretend to hate it. In failing to take steps against cheating, and indeed implying you tolerated some level of it (you have all but admitted taking the position of "just keep them out of the tag, OK?"), you and yours harmed the game for your own benefit, and it's perfectly rational for people who like the game to bear some grudge for that. Quote:
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I disagree..... "stuff" needs to be hard coded with a declining playerbase alliances will accept almost anyone to get a full tag. |
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Oh. I see. You should really have put a comma between 'disagree' and 'stuff'. And a period after 'coded'.
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Yes 1up had people outside tag in their ranks, but also were the leading majority that had the support rule implented due to eXi having "hundreds" of dubious and normal support planets outside of tag. This is one of the rules still around that should be removed or at best rewritten. "hardcoding" has too many problems to even be considered, beside the obvious one that the time/money required with coding. What should be hardcoded exactly? Yes, you are right. The community has not been able to deal with the cheating yet. If you ask ex BF members or ex Rogues members about all the bot closures roundXX they are likely to call you a retard or like Clouds have done, claim your lying or have some personal vendetta towards them. They might not even have noticed it did happend. And so far the MHs have refused to give out information claiming its breaching "privacy" or that they dont want to make a "shame list". |
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