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Just got this email from my driving instructor (a formidable forward'er of funny emails)

Gordon Brown wants us to cut the amount of petrol we use.
The best way to stop using so much petrol is to deport 3 million illegal immigrants!
That would be 3 million less people using our petrol. The price of petrol would come down.
Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the Channel.
When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the Channel, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq.
Tell him if he wants to come to Britain then he must serve a tour in the military.
Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it.
After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country.
He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal resident.
This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves.
If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo.
Problem solved

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Seriously you really are a terrible human being.

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it's fewer you racist twat

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Very funny tbh, but only because it's true.

Human rights are over-rated tbh, and immigration is a serious problem. It's got nothing to do with being racist, it's a case of being a realist who's not afraid to step on toes and say what needs to be said.

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little boy give me one reason to justify your existence

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3 million poor immigrants hardly use much fuel, do they.

However, if you nuke USA back to stoneage, that would help.

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Give me one good reason why I need to justify myself to a moron such as yourself?

You have your views and you're welcome to them. I have mine, and I will voice them. Deal with it, or take a razer to your wrists.

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That's why I laughed when people talked about nuking Afghanistan/Iraq - it'd be an upgrade if anything.

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For the record, the first post was a copy/paste of an email Smudge received that he thought he'd share. He showed neither support nor distain towards the contents of the email, so your criticisms of him are thereby redundant, regardless of how well contructed your arguments were.

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You know, you're right. I just hope someone takes away your right to life as an example of how awesome your statement is.

I'm sorry, but at what point did Jakiri indicate he was answering anything other than the email? (Or the entire opening post if you prefer.) How does this forums thing work in Kennyland then?

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Stop being such an over-sensitive twat.

Well, he used "you" and "your" a few times in his post, I assume he wouldn't be talking to the person who sent the email (pointless), or even about the author of the email - otherwise he'd have used "him" and "his" (or "her"/"hers" or "their" and so forth).

Kennyland tends to work on the basis of reading; give it a go, you may enjoy it.

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THE PLANE WONT TAKE OFF

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does the daily mail not have a forum Kenny could go to?

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You're a mong.


To post something without disagreeing with it automatically suggests some level of agreement with it. If he held no opinion on it then he wouldn't have posted it in the first place.

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stop being an insensitive twat

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Stop using all our fuel!!

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QFT.

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Why is immigration a serious problem?

I want a proper answer.

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THey iz takin da jobs!

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That's complete rubbish. Somebody can easily post something without voicing an opinion, simply to get an unimpressioned opinion back in response.

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Implies he approves.

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First of all I want to make it clear that it's illegal immigration I have a problem with, not immigration in general.

Illegal immigration is a serious problem for a variety of reasons. The reason KaneED gave (sarcasm aside) is but one of them.

It's not just that when an immigrant enters our country, he steals jobs. Because he's willing to work for less money, should the employer feel like risking his liscence to run a business (under the assumption he thinks he can get away with it), he will often give work to the illegal over somebody who's a citizen of the UK and thus entitled to minimum wage and will be protected by employee law.

And you'd be wrong to assume that it doesn't affect those people with jobs already. Because i.i's are taking these low-end jobs, it means that UK Citizen's unemployment rate goes up. This means that more people register for unemployment benefit and this comes straight out of the taxpayer's pocket.

The taxpayer doesn't stop paying there, either. Once an i.i is found and detained, it costs the taxpayer £500 to keep 1 immigrant in a celll per night. While they're detained, they're entitled to free legal advice. Only it isn't free, the taxpayer foots the bill for this too. And when the lawyers get involved, it means that people can be detained either at a police station or detention center for sometimes months. So the money starts to add up.

The cost of 'sending people home' varies of course, depending on where the person is from. It's not just the price of the flight you have to consider either, as then we have the cost of -x- number of return flights to the same destination for any escorts that may be required to ensure the person arrives at the desired location. Then of course you have the costs of the contracts with security companies, like G4S (Group 4 Securities). Such security companies are paid large amounts (though I don't have the figures for this) to transport prisoners and illegal immigrants in between police stations, detention centers, court and ultimately the airport (most immigrants are sent home on flights).

Something that people will probably be a bit more aware of due to recent~ media coverage is the 'go home bonus', or it's actual name "voluntary return scheme", whereby an illegal immigrant can be given anything from £3000, to £5000 to return to their country of origin. I'll give you three guesses where that money comes from, but I'm sure you'll only need one. While it's true that the taxpayers would end up paying more to actually keep the i.i's in detention in the UK, since the introduction of this scheme attempted breach of port has actually increased.

The other down side to the VRS is the fact that anyone is entitled to it. Even people that have committed crimes in the UK, and have been prosecuted for them, are also eligible. Which brings me on to my next point - crime rate. With the number of illegal immigrants in this country (and I'm more than willing to use the firgure of 500,000) that's an awful lot of people that aren't on any police databases in the UK. These are people that we know are there, but have no documentation for. This leads to the (realistic) possibility of organised crime within the UK, i.e. drug trafficking, people trafficking, passport forgery (see: here) without even beginning to mention terrorism. Still, we have to try and police these people, so that costs money too.

On a larger scale these crimes will have an impact on our (the UK's) level of respect in the international community. This in turn effects our trade relations which then in turn affects our entire economy.

There are many many genuine cases of legal immigration. I mean if I moved to Canada or Australia to live/work out there, I'd be a legal immigrant (for 5 years until I can claim citizenship). And the same with the Polish people in the UK now, they are here legally - rights granted to them by membership of the European Union. But because the Polish are (particularly at the moment) high-profile group of immigrants, a lot of negativity and resentment is focused on them. So the illegal immigrants are creating a lot of racial tension between biggots and often the wrong people. Again, this will affect international relations and of course our nation's image/reputation.

So yes, I think illegal immigration is a big problem in the UK. At the moment I'm a university student so I'm not paying taxes, so I'm perhaps less affected by it all than say my parents (for example), who are middle-class, tax-paying citizens. To be completely honest, I can't see how people don't see illegal immigration as a serious problem.

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While I have literary grounds to argue; I wont because I'd be wrong.

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Oh my.

I shall return to this at some point, but at the moment I'm doing my coursework and seem to be getting somewhere* so I don't want to break my momentum.


*where that is I'm not completely sure, but it sure beats not moving at all.

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Illegal immigrants appear in unemployment databases but not police databases? Despite committing crime at an astronomical rate and taking all our jobs?

Honestly, can you defend this position using some form of logic?

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When are we going to talk about how they're responsible for a house price crash and some kind of involvement with princess diana?

Feel free to talk about jobs and resources but i'm more keen to discuss the real issues surrounding this topic

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I am pretty sure they have taken all your brain cells!!! No wonder you are so angry.

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Rich Non doms come to Britain. As they have lots of money they buy nice big houses in expensive areas. This causes the general inflation of the value of the property market. Eventually the market can't inflate no more and other economic pressures come to bear causing a housing market crash.



I may or i may not be being entirely serious.

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Bloody Christians!

Did you just steal this from Anti-Semitic Monthly, Article 5: "How Jews Caused The Great Depression"?

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What are you talking about? I didn't say illegal immigrants appear in unemployment databases. Mz you can't argue with anything I've said, my arguments are facts and truths that come directly from the Home Office. Where I haven't had the information available I made no effort to make it up and did in fact state I wasn't aware of precise figures.

And please, if you're going to counter argue at least do so in a coherent matter. I didn't say once that 'they steal all our jobs' or that they all 'commit crime' (even on an astronomical scale). My response to the subject was an un-biased look at the situation as it is, yet you responded as if I was just another racist twat who didn't like brown people.

Why are you trying to get me to logically justify a position I've never put forth? Mz, of all people I wouldn't have expected this level of ignorance from you.

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lol

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Tbh, your 'believing me' is not so much of an issue, because I know what I said in that post to be true and not just some made up garbage that you often find on the forums.

And yes, the Border and Immigration Agency is part of the Home Office. This is where I got the information from for my post.

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Believe it or not, my last post had nothing to do with you.

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Trusting government statistics :(

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A few things:
The problem here is not illegal immigrants but illegal employers.
The type of jobs these "i.i's" are taking are not ones that are usually taken by UK citizens.
The amount of "i.i's" in this country is far far less than legal immigrants who you should more realistically aim your xenophobic rant at.

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By the way, a lot of the "low end" jobs that immigrants are taking are not denying the unemployed these jobs.

There is a snobbery among the unemployed with regards to the jobs they take. As far as I can discern, there are plenty of jobs for the British people but they refuse to take them which is why immigrants are able to come to Britain and take these jobs.

The claim that immigrants work for less money is not true either, a minimum wage job is a minimum wage job.

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i'll bet you a tenner he can't

EDIT: i am slightly scared that there is a serious argument here ... you see Kenny claims to be studying for a degree so does that not raise questions about the devaluation of academic qualifications?

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Stinking Norwegian Communist scum!

Just give it a try!

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All for you, love.

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I never once mentioned Jews. I was actually thinking more along the lines of Russians and Arabs but WOTEVA.

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That was a beautiful post. I'm still rereading those paragraphs. I particularly liked how you called him incoherent and ignorant. But there is one (very, very, very, very, very) small problem with your reply: you don't understand the main thrust of Mzyxptlk argument.

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Anti-semitism isn't in the word you type, or the actions you undertake. It lives in your heart, you fiend!

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T&F is SO right. We just gotta send all those under 10's to work camps, so they can start to contribute something, those lazy punks.

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I miss communism. :(

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Aim more carefully.

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i dont mind illegal immigrants so much as just hating people with skin that isnt the same colour as mine

it clashes :(

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there is a serious argument to be made about immigration keeping wages down.

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maybe in another country.