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so who will do them? anyone with half the brain this time? gonna actually betatest the stats this time?
good thing is that the stats cant get any whorse oh i damn hope this cluster eta will be changed too, kinda sucked :down: |
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Maybe I will do the stats, then your all screwed !!!
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The stats should be quite good, and yes, they will be properly beta tested (if I continue campaigning for a real test).
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The thing with stats is i bet every pa player can claim he can write a set of stats but tbh with so many variables its probably an impossible job, which is why there seems to be a strange corrolation between people dissapearing and those who design the stats. (Jester, paisley etc)
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I hope there won't be round 21!
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those 2 posts are interestingly similar... good time to quit \o/ |
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Jester's stats were quite good, and he certainly hasn't gone anywhere. Read "Suggestions" forum more often ;) |
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the main problem with making stats is that appocomaster and his bunch of merry buddies have very little clue about stats itself and yet still have the final say. and this matched with them of course tending to listen to the opinions of their equally ignorant/incompetent friends leads to a whole lot of effort and mess for anyone who wants to submit a set
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So do you propose we make ascendancy/you make new stats ? So we have a repetition of r16 ? ^^ |
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r16's top 100 turn out didn't have all that much to do with the stats and if you don't understand that you're likely a shit player anyway since you don't understand how planetarion and it's universe works and therefore and deserved to get trounced like you undoubtedly did. i've explained the real reasons in simple terms in various other posts throughout the year+ since that round now as well and i'm not really interested in going over it again.
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no, i just came back to PA mid r16 to witness ascendancy's... well... ascendancy... for the lack of a better word. I am not saying that asc's win was due to stat's design (eventho, partially, its futile to deny it. But only in small part). Its the fact that you have used the weakness in design, the difference of gamestyle that came into being, first, without warning.
Hence, if you would be given the rights to design a set of stats, in my oppinion, you would implement a style that would not be disclosed to others. Its how you play. Nothing bad about it, but given all the skill of players gathered in ascendancy, implementation of a hidden tactics would be to the fullest expence. The question is... where do we find an un-biased party to design a set of stats that would have enough knowlege of the system to make it "playable" and "original" and actually prevent every involved party (usually a loosing one) from blaming "shit stats" for their failures during the round. |
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fair enough, i sort of understand your point of view them. for the record, EVERYONE wants a war game right? ascendancy is no different. the only thing is and the pateam have done nothing substantial to rectify this, is that in the CURRENT game, there is really no reason not to go the lazy route. i personally find "xp whoring" unbelievably tedious and try to play a balanced planet with strong value as well, but i don't blame or detract from anyone who's a xp player because why should i?
ps "hidden style"? xp "whores" have existed since r10.. :| |
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I agree with Mighteh on this one JBG. Obviously he hasn't gone quite far enough yet though. Four new race names should be used and everyone should be forced to pick this race blind, with the stats are not revealed until Tick36, after the shuffle.
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Bring back Gatey, he will fix it!
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Gate's Stats is one of the bether stats we have hadd sine rnd10.5
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R11 stats were the best. <3 Fireblades or whatever that xan BS was.
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In fact iirc (and please correct me wrong rob) in round 15 rob xp whored his way comfortably into the top 100, he may have done the same in round 14. Now I remember in round 15 that it was rather novel what he was doing, but I myself like others was perhaps too narrow minded to change my gameplay and the way I viewed the game. Indeed adapt with the times. Indeed even in round 16 when rob landed in my galaxy I still didn't adapt until the last two weeks or so into the round when even then it was horrible for me to get xp as I was a fat value terran. Even still I adapted. The failure was not in the stats it was probably the thinking of the players. Onto the best stats, I felt round 11 were quite balanced, round 16 was decent as well I thought. There have been some rounds though were certain races are just stupid. I think it was round 13 with cathaar? And 17/18 with xan? Both times I believe I pointed out the possible flaws in the stats as did a few people but sadly those in #beta who are playing a speedgame with crap alliances like Blaine or whatever its called and seeing how many roids they can accumulate and how many ships they can steal weren't quite the best to listen too, even though they were consulted. I don't count myself as someone who is greatly astute when it comes to stats, although I feel I can spot flaws. However there are far greater people than myself. I believe a public beta (if you call it that, as maybe a little freebie to keep the kids warmed up before the main event) shouldn't be used to test stats as quite frankly 9/10 situations are not realistic. Instead it should be used to find bugs etc. A private beta however with a select group of individuals who are proven to be able to work on stats (and there a fair few around) should comprise of players with the knowledge and expertise to work on the stats. Once they have been consulted, the stats should be finalised and that is that. No public input imo should be allowed into the stats. It should be a purely private affair. Deal with it. Is what I would say if I was pa team. Often a democracy is great, but it fails in the fact that many of the people voting are shit and don't really know how their vote counts, a prime example is probably the USA. What is needed is a strong dictator who doesn't take shit off anyone and does whats best for his country for example Hitler or Stalin. Sure they were ass holes but they made their countries world powers. We need a dictator to take the stats, not take shit off the general public and work with a select few to create some beautiful stats. It will be emotional. |
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Gate's stats were good.
For christs sake, just reuse a set of stats from a good round ... all we have at the moment is a 5 minute check to see which race you have to roid this round. Rearranging the numbers and classes doesn't change the game (or maybe PATeam think it does change the stale game). This should be irrelevant given the fact that most players play round after round. |
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cath stats need a lot of work...they are worse than last round
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think caths is ok, its the other races that are fubar that kinda makes cath shitty to play :) try xan and you see what i mean hehe
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In the world cup, the two races they were pretty balanced and decent stats, perhaps we should have two races, balanced stats both havd advs and disadvs.
They were war and science. Science had an incredible start, and war caught up towards the end. |
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Tell me about it, in the current universe(with only low value edts) xan is HORRIBLE.
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I think Sovereign is having a go at making some stats that could be played with in betas.
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Did I mention using jer's 3 race stats yet? Yeah.
(or go war/science) |
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Jer's were probably mentioned earlier too, but some ****face decided that Paisley's statistical knowledge is the bliss to go with.
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I still like the war/science stats, if I could lobby to get them implemented, then I would.
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I think its been proven that there is room for four races, given acceptable stats, but five might be pushing too far.
My worry with the reduction to just two or three races is that there isn't room for a steal race, and emp race, and two different styled normal races (att/def?) |
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It hasn't been proven that there's room for four races - just look at the round-on-round controversies over the stats. The fifth race has just shifted the blame (for one round only). jer's stat's thread is a handy reference to see why - although if you're too lazy to click the link, just take it from me that Cathaar is inherently unbalanced by its very nature. |
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http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...9&postcount=26
i quite like jesterina's idea there personally. anything truly OPEN ended, i'm up for really. |
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Yes i agree with that suggestion, surely a good starting point atleast
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I do prefer Jester's changes - but your stats, jer, would be easier to implement for Round 21 :)
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can subversion ships still be created or has that been deleted completely
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fantastic
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i dont really like the fact that ziks lose ships once they have stolen...i liked the old way
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Oh, wait that was supposed to happen years ago. Oh, passport system? That one too. Oh ****. Really. What has happened? Stats change every round, XP formulae is tweaked, alliance rules are tweaked, with a few other minor tweaks (scans of lately). |
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jer and Jester doing the stats will be "a cut above", if both could be arsed. 3 races sounds noble. Sov i predict will just do a boring stat.
p.s. DeLoS winning? |
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Where can I see jer's proposed stats? I'm sure they'll get my vote <3
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http://nera.atspace.com/jer/PAStats.xhtml |
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http://ryzekiel.atspace.com/PAStats.html are likely the "latest" ones from the stuff i did for r19 - but don't trust me on that, and i'm not wasting my time checking it either
the link will have to be copied and pasted onto your address bar by the way because i have no idea how to make it otherwise :D |
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They look pretty decent, worth a thorough look atleast.
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3 races FTW! :)
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3 races FTW! :)
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