[File Sharing Rant]A change of plans
I will no longer condem people for file sharing. The MPAA and the RIAA are wrong: the fear mongering and the lies they spread are terrible. These wealthy organizations with their high priced lawyers destroy the lives of everyday folk with families for running torrent sites that only lose money.
I had never supported these activities, it was only a moral question I was taking sides on, but I've changed my mind. Because of the activities of these 'associations', absolutly base on all levels, I've made this decision. All I see is rich people on one side of the court taking money away from poor, mostly honest people on the other side. I don't believe laws were written to support this kind of thievery. I think I will just cease to buy any more music or pay for anymore movies. I wont file share either. I'll read books or something. I don't think I could even enjoy the entertainment anymore, knowing what bastards populate the industry. |
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and is this a rant because you've not yet taken your medication or a rant because a particular event has occured. if the latter please supply link. |
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Take for instance these people here:
http://www.niteshdw.com/index.php?a=topic&t=7284 A man with a wife and daughter ruined (or about to be) by the MPAA for running a losing money site distributing only torrents. He's asking for donations for legal fees and I think two people have donated $10 each. How about these letters from the content industries: http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php Look how vicious and mean they are. Then take into account this site here: http://www.mpaa.org/piracy_internet.asp Look how they make it out to be to be out for your interest when it's greed that motivates them. Look at their lies. It's so deceptive and underhanded. I don't believe half of what they say. |
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Its widely accepted theyre not doing it for the high moral reasons they state, but because their clients arent making enough money for their shareholders.
Capitalism - An experiment in wealth management thats destroyed the faith of most people in human nature. |
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There is no law designed to allow innocent people to be 'bullied' in the emotive way that you are suggesting.
The man who broke the law and run a torrent site ruined himself. It is fatuous to suggest that the MPAA are somehow to blame. Sending out letters to these sites letters detailing valid legal complaints serve to warn the offender and give him an opportunity to cease his activities thereby avoiding being sued. That actually seems quite a morally correct thing to do ... |
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The MPAA should try to use the technology for the good of the companies it represents rather than just sue and neglect the technology. It's so popular not only because it's free but the P2P and torrent system works - simple. What do these companies have compared to this? Nothing.
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Why do you support filesharing involving non-RIAA artists? Arent you essentially saying that because you dont like the RIAA, its ok to steal from all artists regardless of whether they are RIAA or not? You remind me of someone who thinks that all Jews are secretly rich and attend Jewmeetings where world domination is discussed, just because a moneylender once charged him too much interest on his loan.
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The code behind a lot of the original P2P companies now belongs to major record companies, and they use this for their own download websites. True, it doesnt allow Peer to Peer sharing of software, but FTP's been around as long as Dead_Meat, and it allows the sharing of files with the right privileges and passwords. The torrent system is a brilliant little piece of code, and what it does is something really useful which could, in theory, be coded into the websites of the large online companies. It wont be at the moment as theyve got no need for it. As and when they find something its useful for, expect them to speak to the authors and negotiate licenses. |
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But seriously, what I am supposedly stealing isn't tangible so I see no harm in it AND I am getting the word of the artists I listen to around because I have it in my MSN Currently playing feature, playlists etc. This means I am essentially advertising FOR FREE their music - if someone gull'ble... honest wishes to buy their music based on my influence, then I should be entitled to some money back as I've refered. They're stealing my time in that context and getting money for free. |
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Secondly I see no great harm done to people such as your professor: it's no different from recieving tv licence letters. However if the company ever crossed the line and started harrassing an innocent individual then there are other laws to protect that individual. |
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The companies are fully entitled to make use of the law. Just like everyone else. |
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Thank god for reasonable Dutch laws :up:
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Anyway, back to s|k's point although I am semi-glad he has turned away from continuous justifying corporate sponsored laws I feel he misses the point somewhat. More directly I personally welcome every idiotic move by the *AA's and their ilk - they are simply confirming their eventual obsolescence. Dinosaur's will die, as the song goes. |
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It might all work out nice and clean on paper, but I know when someone is getting ****ed. How often do you see powerless people ruining the wealthy? |
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If country A has no law against murder, but country B does, country B's murder law will apply (even though getting that application into practical effect requires diplomatic negotiation and extradition.) Legal Sovereignty might very well appear absurd to you but curiously it is a concept adhered to by all nation states. Quote:
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If I were to mug somebody due to being poor and then in turn get mugged myself, am I suddenly not guilty of a crime? |
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If nation A has a law against murder, and the person committing the murder commits it in Nation B against an individual from nation A, why is nation A entitled to extradite that person for a crime against their national? Why isnt he tried under Nation B's judicial system? Just putting S|K's point a little better. Its why the american judicial system is so roundly mocked. Offences committed overseas against their nation can be tried in US courts (in absentia civil cases against Osama Bin Laden being the example). Thats absoloutely ludicrous. I dont recall seeing Britain at any point attempting to extradite the turk who killed a 2yr old in his pram simply because the victim was a british national. If anything, I recall the parents having to fight for justice in turkey because the UK government simply werent interested in an offence committed against their national on foreign soil. The law may well be there for a reason, and may be important for the purposes of extradition against individuals who commit and offence and then flee overseas, but as S|K rightly points out , if a Swede sends a file to a fellow Swede, and the data passed remains within the Cyberspace of Scandanvia , why is it that hes not prosecuted under Swedish copyright laws? |
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In future when you think i've made a mistake mark can you please just say so? I'm getting annoyed with this condescending 'i'll just post an offend remark' approach you have been adopting. It's particularly annoying when you are in fact wrong. |
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b) You can't discuss beliefs. You can only state them. |
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Profit does matter, and sharing isn't mugging. |
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Besides they NEED to sue those people to keep piracy from getting out of hand You know they can't support it, for the sake of their own branch |
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There are people smoking in the streets of paris right now backing Yahwe's point about jurisdiction.
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Happens every day. Difference is that Banks fear reputational loss, and their ombudsman can impose stupidly large fines on institutions that take their greed too far. The RIAA and the MPAA have absoloutely nobody to tell them what to do, and they dont care about reputation. That scares me. It scares me that they can find a copied movie on a DVD in my house and fine me £5000 for the privilege. Per DVD And the money will go to ... their shareholders (The Artists represented by the RIAA). How many other companies with shareholders can do this and get the protection of the law? Last I recall of anything like this was the Lloyds of London "Names" fiasco. |
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If you make a retarded site of which you know that it's against the law and affect a million dollar businesses with Then you gotta live with the consequences Don't break products you can't afford IF I burn a ferrari, then it's fairly obvious the claim is gonna be higher then when I burn a volvo It's worth more What your saying is that if your property is worth more then that bum that steals it can afford that you should just take the loss. I'm quite against that Quote:
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Therein lies the 'value' of discussing beliefs. |
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Sodomy is illegal in some states and cities in the US, and I'm sure at one point it wasn't favored in your part of the world. Do you adopt the same nonchalant attitude about the law when someone's life is ruined because of prosecution for sodomy? A city is allowed to write and enforce its laws right? What argument could you possibly have. I'm sure if you brought up personal beliefs in your defense, the judge and the DA would say 'those don't concern me.' |
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The DMCA which is active in the US doesnt bother me in germany or sweden. You can happily laugh at them for trying to apply US law on you - a whole different story is the fact that a DMCA alike law is still pending at the EU AFAIK. What CAN and likely WILL happen however, is that if you violate the US DMCA law on the internet by publification of research (thereby violating it virtually in the US), that the next time you travel to the US, you will be put in front of a court (Adobe/elcomsoft case). Quote:
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It is perfectly possible for a law to be unjust: and therefore in need of being changed. The starting point I would take in assessing this question would be whether that law created 'unjust' results in all cases. You see to prefer obsessing about one or two cases of percieved injustice and then working backward to conclude that the law is inherently wrong. I would suggest that your approach is illogical and uses emotion to distort reality. |
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Currently the DVD industry starts to do the same - im renting a lot DVDs and have had increasing problems to play them (not to mention the hilarious "Mr. and Ms. Smith" german DVD protection case). |
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The protection on CD's and DVD's aren't a concern to me. There are a lot of exploits out there on how to reverse them - some of them take time but alas, I don't mind especially with DVD's. DVD Decrypter seems to extract the main movie files I need after a rental with no hassle.
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Currently they HEAVILY lobby in germany to make sure there is no such thing like a "bagatelle"-clause in the upcoming next turn of copyright law increase. They want to make sure they can sue anybody for any single copy. |
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