Round 39 Stats
 

These are the stats, which will still be 'tweaked'.


I am not commenting on them yet as they are so appalingly shit that I will wait for the next version.

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Sweet Jesus those stats are awful :(

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Is this a joke?

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I'm not laughing! :(

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In keeping with recent threads, I vote "tear this shit down and start again"

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oh fks sake. Once I quit they give zik a co roider?
fking hell

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What happened to using/altering r27s stats :(

Not gonna bother commenting on these stats until they been altered.

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who ze **** made those?

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These stats are based on the R24 stats with just a few changes.

Basically, that round was a total Xan/Zik fest and I don't really see these changes doing much to stop that happening again..

Certainly Cath and Etd needs a boost imo.

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Here is the thread from R24 discussing the stats btw:

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...=195613&page=2

Not a huge amount of discussion going on though. Bottom line is that cath and etd HAVE TO be improved if they are to stand any chance. Terrans are improved with the Cutter's T3 being removed though.

Here are the planetranks from R24:

http://www.clawofdarkness.com/pawiki...4:Planet_Ranks

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AND HERE ARE THE ALLIANCE RANKS:

http://www.clawofdarkness.com/pawiki...Alliance_Ranks

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Err while Zik are slightly better than last round in that they will be able to steal FR which they couldn't in r38, they are still pretty pants! No effective anti DE at all other than steal ships and you need a tonne of them to put attackers off. Looks to me like they will just be roid farms. ETD are pretty pants too, and Cat - while interesting are going to be in for it - but then last round Cat were so good that I am not surprised they have had a significant power down. Ter seem ok ish, but realistically Xan look to be the really decent race to play judging by these stats.

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I dread a round where 40% of the universe is xan with eta 7 ships.

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I do love Baliff being a name for a pod ship :D

Changes I would make to the stats.

Terran
keeping the same de/bs roid class

Harpy ---> t1 fr
t2 fi

Chimera ---> init 8 t1 co damage increase from 28 to 32
t2 de

Pegasus ---> init 6 t1 fi
no t2

Drake ---> init 7 t1 bs
t2 fr
-----------------------------------------------------------
Syren ---> init 5 t1 frig
t2 de

Wyvern ---> init 21 steal t1 de
no t2

or

Syren init 5 ---------> t1 fr
no t2

Wyvern init 6 ---------> t1 de
no t2
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Cath
keeping the same fr/cr attack fleets

Spider ---> t1 co
t2 fr
t3 de

Viper from co to de class ship ---> keeping the same targetting and similar emp effienties and resistance and around the same A/C cost

Xan

Banshee ----> init 4 t1 de
no t2

Bomber ----> t1 fr
no t2

Shadow ---> init 6 t1 bs
t2 de
Spectre ---> t1 cr
no t2

Zik

Cutter init 4 ---> t1 fr
t2 co

Etd

Voyager to init 2 emp emp strength around 140 - 160% t1 aprox

Dealer to frig init 20 steal ---> t1 co
t2 cr

Broker to an init 7

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If you search for posts containing the word "quit" by wishmaster you get 38 results.


Just saying...

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Quit being an idiot!

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I m just saying!

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At least 38 of those posts are me mocking you about quitting fetish though :(

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Stats need to be changed!

Xan are too good
Zik and Etd a bit too weak
Cat way to weak

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How can you with a straight face say that Terrans got fixed by removing a ships t3 targetting? :(

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I'm not saying they got fixed, I said they got improved...

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For those of us that cant see (that means me), what are the problems specifically?

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Well, if you look at the ranks from R24 Xan is obviously too strong(and I remember this very well as I was xan that round).
Zik lost the T3 on the cutter, which is/was their best ship making them a lot weaker vs DE.
Etd aren't that bad as far as I recall, their CO fleet is pretty nifty, but their certainly not as strong as xan.
Cathaar are simply too bad, their roidingfleets are piss-poor and they are best used as supportplanets. They have no useful killships and they will simply get roided down one by one like they were in R24.

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Six days until round starts. Is anything being done to fix these stats?

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Hmm seems the stats changed a bit a few days ago. I assumed nothing had been changed but seems there has been changes :p

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/me watches the tumble weeds blow by....

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It would be bloody handy if we were informed of the changes, rather than having to guess at them.

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Looks like the Peg and Clipper were changed. Zik DE is still totally useless, and Ter and Xan are also pretty dire.

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There has been some changes to the stats tonight.

Due to a couple of obvious weaknesses both of the etd co are now emp, and the peg\bansh have had their inits altered.

Comments!?

In my opinion this impoved the stats quite a bit. Attacking with fico will now be viable all round long(due to the possibility of sending along etd emp co), Terran aren't as open to fico incs any more, all this happening without xan fico really being weakened that much.

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A few changes to clipper, thief, spider and tara initwise have been done!

Stats will probably be made final tonight so if someone has some suggestions for additional changes then please say so now.

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personally i would improve the power of the tara and the broker a bit

atm CR are only viable in a cath/etd teamup in regard to attacks

tbh all the big ships need to be looked at to prevent this round being fi/co galore...

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I can't see how making Pegs and Banshees fire simultaneously can be viewed as not weakening Xan Fi "that much".

Has anyone done any calcs on Terran De fleets attacking vs Xan Fi and vice versa? I suspect that Xan will come out worst in both cases - but I'd love to be wrong (in this instance).

<Edit> Having Etd ETA 7 anti Fi EMP defence available isn't likely to help the Xan Fi cause either - although I'd only just noticed that Cath doesn't have ETA 7 anti Fi ships.

<Edit 2> I've also just noticed that the two lowest init kill ships are both non-Xan and that there are a further three non-Xan ships which fire at the same init as the lowest Xan ships. I think it's time to stop pretending that one of Xan's "advantages" is having ships which fire earlier than their opponents. The "paper thin" armour still seems to be a feature though. :(

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The tara had its targetting swapped to make it more efficient vs BS btw

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Xan still have their cloaked ability and their low eta though...

In my opinion the change to the pegasus, the bansh and the voyagers helps xans. Although xans will now struggle to attack Terrans they now have the ability to attack etd's instead. ADDITIONALLY, Xan teamups now become a lot stronger since you have the opportunity to send a emp fleet along, this is because before the recent change to the voyager no matter how big a etd and xan teamup you sent you would only need a very small amount of defence due to the defence shooting at the same time as the attackers. No matter if the attack was 4mil value or 40mil value the same amount of defships would be needed to stop it (probably about 1mill value defships - unless there was a lot of xp involved of course).

Changing the voyager to emp and not changing the peg would be a bad idea because;

a) xan fico could then roid every race except themselves
b) Ter was exceptionally bad versus fico as it was, and they really needed to become better at stopping fico

Moreover, do you honestly expect a lot of people to go Ter DE this round!?

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1:2 Banshee:Pegasus, Xan still loses less.


I take it EMP values will be done last? (which will be a pain to balance -.-)

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They tend to be the final thing to do yeah. In my opinion it's important that the etd co aren't too strong.

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Er. What? They're basically even right now, xan lose slightly less in 1:1 value equivalency.

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True enough. Perhaps we should amend our expectations of Xan (and the manual) to reflect their actual abilities.
You're right - but I'm not sure that promoting team-ups as a playing style is the right way to go (even though it's been almost essential to achieve success for many rounds now). Team-ups usually result in the target being completely overwhelmed which tends to mean that only alliance members stand much chance of a successful defence. New players are likely to be annihilated and sometimes sufficiently demotivated to make them quit. Likewise, new(er) players are less likely to be able to put together an effective team attack. I suppose this is really a matter for a separate thread - and perhaps even a different forum.
Before these changes I would have answered with a resounding "NO" - now it would probably be less resounding, but still "no". :)

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The manual is ****ing retarded. If we actually had an entire race which had low eta low init high damage ships it'd be so overpowered you'd probably end up with 90% of the t100 planets being that race.

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http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=1loouhs3akq9con

like that!

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And why exactly is there twice as much value in pegs as there is in banshee there? And why are you not using the beta bcalc?

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To show that even when all Banshee are killed, Ter still can't solo Xan. And because I have the game calc bookmarked and those stats were updated, afaik.

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No.

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I guess everyone loves these stats then? With the lack of suggestions and all..

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I think it was a decent attempt in the end. Xan aren't as awesome as they looked originally and etd aren't as good as they looked after the first round of changes. I can see reasons to play every race, although cath look weak to me (I always think they look weak without an eta 7 roiding fleet).

On the negative side I think it was a woeful idea to add a t2 to the banshee. There's not even an fr kill/steal ship that targets fi so it just makes fr a weaker attack ship which we definitely didn't need. That said xan fi now roids other xan fi/co planets so it sort of balances itself out a bit just in terms of the strength of xan. Although **** you appoco for not thinking of dropping the armour on the phant back down.

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Hmm, quite a few big changes since yesterday. Xan FI definitively looks substantially weaker than they did yesterday.

It's good to see that Ter got improved a bit though.

Overall I'd say these stats are a lot better than they were just a few days ago.

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I thought the goal was to have a multi-targeting round without a ton of multi-targeting?
You guys were doing well (sorta) with the stats, and now ... 3 ships that don't multi-target.
Caths are pretty silly, even with having 3 ships that dual target and 4 that triple target :o
Xan FI/CO targets FR way too hard (not that anyone really has any FR ships to target ??)
ETD/Ter look like they have in most of the rounds past.
Zik is the typical "We steal stuff, but also our kill ships are better then all the other races" joke that seems to be the trend of the last few rounds.

Stats look okay, depending on what direction you look at the from.
Woulda been nice to only have 3-4 multi-targeting ships per race and more then 7 ships per race lol

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No, that was just what some people said they wanted. I will refer to the Stones for the lesson they should now have learnt.

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Im highly tempted to go ETD Co this round, it seems to be the Fi/Co fleet that Cath should of had. The efficiency is pretty good along with the armor and has a nice anti CR/BS emp ship as well. The Co stealer ship also adds a possibility of farming inactive Xan or Zik's who have some Co ships to strengthen the fleet.

Just dont like the look of Xan's now, they still look extremly viable but theres just too many weaknesses now and they look like they've got to spead themselves abit too thin.

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I definitively think the way to go is either FICO att + FrDe/CrBs for def or CR/BS att with FICO for deffing and/or faking.

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Well considering the previous revision of the stats had Xan having a lot of single targeting Ter had a few too.
I figured that's kinda what the intention was.

Regardless of what people were wanting, it seemed like it was in the plans.