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Obviously photoshopped... I know this from seeing alot of shops during my lifetime.

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I just think its funny that an alliance claims to have been focused by mutliple alliances for over 300 ticks has about the same amount of incomings then alliances that have never been focused. I guess acting to everyone like you had organised incoming on you worked tho. They all came to your aid thinking FAnG was being honest.

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The nice thing with numbers is you can interpret them the way you want.
The incs on FAnG were concentrated on the first half of the round, then it eased up a lot with Alt/Upp going for easier targets...
Organized incs were a reality, and the help asked from other alliances really worked.

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As Ult planet I attacked FAnG planets from tick 200-1000, obviously Ult grounded alot, but this mainly means you had incoming all round and never much of it. Yes you might have had a few bad nights, but lets be honest having 2800 incs over 60 planets playing a whole round..
Round is over, no more need for lies and bullshit.

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Not exactly surprising that fang were full of bullshit, the question is just if they felt like the incs they got were "omg ****ing huge incs" (due to not being used to big incs) or if they were trying to trick the block. Somehow i think it's the first one.

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Not true. I repeat we had way more incs in the first half from combined Alt/Upp and DWTF (sorry don't know where to put the K)...

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It doesnt matter how much incoming fang had and any block was not tricked'.

Fact is, people were fed up with app/ult/cousins working together as a superalliance and basically breaking the alliance rules (yes cheating), that they did something about it.

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Alliances working together does not break any rules. You keep peddling this line and it keeps making you look stupid and bitter.

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There was a block formed against Ultores, not because Fang manipulated other alliances in to thinking that it was an unfair fight, but because most were bored of the consecutive Ultores winning streak.

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Also, FAnGs incs were very concentrated, once our counter block formed to the ult block, and app stopped attacking us cause they got bored not getting any roids, so then ult stopped attacking us cause they wouldnt land alone.

We had a few nights with 200+ inc fleets a night, but most of the round we were fairly clear due to keeping ult grounded, which was our tactic. Attack agares= ult ground. Simples.

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That actually wasn't the case given how little he was on IRC this round. Most grounding calls were made by Zwan I think.

What's also interesting is that Ult received less incs in total than in 45 and 47. The key this time was that it was constant rather than concentrated.

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Nothing suprising. FAnG alone gave Ult 2k incs, almost half their total incs this round, wich forced Ult to ground every night basicly.
I think this only prove us that FAnG upheld an incredible pressure on ult, wich gave us the win. App/DFKTW were prolly bored by attacking FAnG without any good gains.
I think FAnG played this round offensive very good.

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Well being only forts didnt give u any choice, you were basicly outplayed.
R46/47 the member limit were higher, but i think ur onto something. FAnG won due to hard work rather than overblocking.

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How is working together breaking any rules?

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Isn't.

But being the same alliance in two tags is.

I just think it is funny tbh, a support alliance, a bunch of cheating in a gme of less than 500 inactives and app/ult still fail

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But DFWTK wasnt involved till tick 500+, yes they might have raided an fang gal once or twice during these 350 ticks irvine claims to be hit in. HR etc did aswell is my guess.. Doesnt mean they were part of anything. To apprime hitting FAnG? They hit FAnG for 3 days and then stopped for over a week, which all falls under Irvines claim of being hit between tick 150-500..
As I stated before, have the balls to be honest about your incoming.

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YES! I ground ally when i get incs! Oh right I don't.

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Who actually cares who had what and how many had who!! 1 or 2 people at best guess. We all know that FaNG played well, they needed support to get 1st place, Ultores were lazy and Apprime was only 15 guys playing 50+ planets.

The block didnt join Fang cos Fang were crying they joined cos they smelt Ultores blood, that they were there for the taking for once and for the first time in 6 rounds they saw it through. Most likely because CT/ND were never in contention to get 1st place so they didnt bother inhouse fighting.

Yes someone FINALLY attacked Ultores in the way that would stunt their growth the best (constant mid coverage incommings instead of 3 days of roiding dry).


Neither of the 2 contenders (Ult and Fang) actually CHEATED (ok maybe a rogue planet here or there) they just did some politics and what happened happened.


Onwards to rd 50 people please, stop over analyzing a bunch of numbers that isnt complete. If the incommings were broken down into 5 blocks of the round (250 tick increments maybe) then we could accuse each other to the high hills, but they arent so lets not!!

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How are they the same alliance?

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No, it isn't. Ascendancy played with 3 tags of 63 + 11 + 8 players in round 22 (when the tag limit was 70) and with 2 tags of 89 + 21 players in round 31 (when the tag limit was 90). We asked in advance whether that was acceptable, and were granted permission by the MHs. I'm pretty sure they even discussed it with Appocomaster at the time.

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Forest Wtf have you been smoking seriously. Even if app/ult are the same alliance under two tags what do you propose they ask the other tag to do?

"sorry guys tag limit is 60 half of us can't play this round" in addition to that sounding like bullshit the block essentially played as 1 big alliance this round does that mean it cheated to the.victory?

Come.on engage the brain before you post. As for these incoming stats what does it matter fang won ult didn't stop emoing come back next round and win let your play prove.your better than the rest rather than your ability to post random useless stats.

sorry for random .'s posted from my phone

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Indeed it should be intresting next round. How will Fang fair when they dont have the back of the whole universe in taking down Ultores. How will Ultores do now they have a reason to win again? How many accounts can carDi play at once in round 50? These are all good things for next round. Hopefully its not the last one....

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I think these stats are interesting on why the outcome is what it was.
As i said FAnG did stand for almost of the ult incs this round, and CT certainly did give em a lot of incs aswell, so that would realy break the arguments of anyone saying that it was a gigantic block hitting Ult from tickstart. How ever TGV joined in on ult at the right moment to help FAnG bring home the thropy.
FAnG had well over 5k incs the last round we played, so i dont think the amount ult had was over the top.

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barring the top 2 the rest of the alliances seem to have stopped roughly the same % of incommings .. just by doing math in my head looking (numbers incomming against numbers recalled) at them its roughly 40% landed, the top 2 attacked more too.

so nothing has changed really .. activity is the key, all theese comments are pretty much moot !

and you cant compare last rounds attack numbers to this rounds, last rounds were heavily weighted to attack.

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No no..
It was FAnG speaking about mass incoming, theres a topic somewhere filled with yourself and connovar crying about it.
I think I can speak for the whole of Ult to say we never had mass incoming and I seriously doubt anyone ever claimed differently. Yes we couldnt handle the incoming given like we once did, but who would expect an alliance to be able to keep its core active for over 6 rounds.

Now the question is why an alliance that received 1/3th less incoming then Ult would act like they had massive incoming.

[17:32:44] [B-Butcher]: u keep mass waving our planets :(

Judging that Irvine claims your incomings were between tick 150 and tick 500. Why is it that you claim at: Session Start: Fri Nov 30 14:59:27 2012 Session Ident: B-Butcher that FAnG is receiving mass incoming past tick 1000.
Judging by what you said we "kept" on mass waving your planets. Now lets say Irvine did say one true thing and say that the incoming started at tick 150, so lets make it 150 till tick 1000. That would be at an average of 80 incoming fleets a night.
Knowing you have had about 200 inc fleets on drag waves(waves in the evening when you had no other incoming), another 100 on the final day(is way past tick 1000) and lets say 100 before tick 150. This would give you an average of 68 fleets a night..
Lets evaluate for a second, Irvine claimed to have constant incoming from Ult,DFWTK and Apprime between tick 150 and 500, lets round it off to 14 days. thats about 175 planets, lets say 5 scanners and 15 people that dont attack every day. Leaves 115 fleets to go on FAnG, you claim to have been focused by 3 allies afterall.. 1610 fleets would fly on you over 14 days.
So..
2800 - total incs
1600 - between tick 150 and tick 500
100 - before tick 150
100 - after tick 1000
200 - evening defdrag
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800 incs you had over the other 500 ticks apparently, so lets face it. By any calculation made you might have had 2-5 nights of decent incoming and the rest of the round you had peanuts for incoming. If 3 alliances had focused you for real, the inc count would be way higher.


PS: <[FAnG]Irvine> from tick 150 to 500 we were hit by the block app/dfwtk/ultores
<[FAnG]Irvine> coz ultores were just pussying about getting incs they cant cover
<[FAnG]Irvine> ultores def first 600 ticks suck balls
<[FAnG]Irvine> thats when you take them out
Alliance Ranking 688 Sexy Pirates has taken over rank 1 (formerly rank 2)

In all these days you hit us (before tick 600). We never lost more % of our roids then you guys had :'(. But you are right, this round and last round our def sucked. Not the first 600 ticks tho, but all round long.

But hey irvy, congratz on your win with FAnG. FAnG really were better then Ult this round!

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You reffering to the log when u hit santa or? That was massive waving, maybe a missplaced S?
My computer went down, so im not sure what u are reffering to.
If there is a thread with me and mini-me whineing over mass incs direct us to it.
And ofc, Apps fleet mixture alongside ur and DFKTW made it harder to cover our roids iutside of forts, meanwhile our strat was keep your members grounded in your forts wich was under siege, and due to the fear off App retalling we mainly/mostly/only did CR/BS assaults on u, wich you could cover much easier than fast flying ships. In the end we had hoped ur members would emo, and quit, but it didnt happend at the pace or in the way we had hoped for.

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Not quite. There's been one pretty big change: it is no longer required that everyone is active; what you need to be is available. Only a handful of people need to actually be active all the time to deal with incomings. Everyone else can make do with having a phone and sending when asked. That said, that does still require waking up at least once a night when you're being targetted.

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TGV got more incoming then nd and ct, wich kinda surprises me :p

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Do people actually still think this works on a top alliance?

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yet in r22, TiT (a support tag to VGN at the time) were all closed due to the support planet rule back in the day. Ofc all but one (HC) were reopened a day later.

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I think you are not alone in this, considering our roidcount.

Another interesting stat shown is the amount of deffleets for DFWTK.

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FAnG did have massive incs for a very short time there were a few heavy nights. Hense fang complained about being focused by three allies. Note being focussed by three allies does not = more than a week of incs. Hell you can be focused by three allies for 1 night and its still being focused.

I think its fair to say fang had a somewhat steady flow of less incs after the periods irvine identified. But it was their political play and their attacking play that limited the incs they received. In my opinion this is probably what happened.

All three allies hit FAnG for a few nights possibly for between 5-7 days of sustained incs however due to the following reasons they stoped/ eased off to a lesser more steady flow of incs.

DFWTK don't posses the quality to roid fang and were possibly used as flak for apprime/ult (I'm not sure if this is the case but they are certainly viewed not just by my self as the weaker link in the app/ult side of the war). It would be interesting to see the launch times of DFWTK's attacks/waves compared to that of ult/app. A lack of significant landings meant DFWTK switched away from FAnG and focused elsewhere possibly to CT.

Apprime landed and did significant damage to FAnG for a few nights however FAnG's early roid lead had allowed them to build large stocks which they pumped into anti fi/co. Apprime then found it increasingly difficult to land and moved elsewhere to ND/Innuendo.

Ultores were grounded for a large share of the round meaning their ability to attack back and do the sort of damage they needed to was severely depleted. Add into that a defensive set of stats and you make it increasingly hard to regain any sort of roids with the 1 fleet attacking they were capable of most of the round.

As can be seen it was pretty close between the two sides with both sides of the block occupied by a tag on the opposing side for large periods of the round. I think there is a lot of truth in the matter that it was in fact TGVs decision to join the block near the end that in fact sealed the win for FAnG. As I think kai said earlier in the thread there is no point looking at total stats they don't give a good representation of different phases of the round and therefore doesn't explain why ult lost or indeed why fang won.

Both sides need to get over what was in effect a great effort by the CT ( I call it that because they are the constant member whether it be FAnG, HvN or any other 1 round wonder) block to get one of its members to win. I think that what tilted it this time round was FAnG as an alliance possessed more of the remaining quality in PA than previous one round attempts ( btw fang plan to play r50 so they are not a 1 round wonder but are grouped as such by me because they returned this round and had they lost i doubt we would see them next).

TL:DR version FAnG won ult had more incs than fang move on as i said before stop whining that fang whined about incs go back to the rat cave regroup sign up some more multis and come back next round and win.

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First of all the universe was just bored of Ultores winning. That's all there was to it. No discussion is needed.

Second of all are these stats even correct? The amount of fake incomings seems off. The amount of defence sent by DFWTK seems off etc. etc.

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sebos 350 ticks = 14 days

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Fake attacks are almost entirely unused (and rightly so). Not sure about DFWTK.

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Next round will be interesting, there seems to be a lot of old alliances returning, and FAnG will undoubtably lose some good players as they return to their particular allies. No doubt a far smaller tag next round, but I'm looking forward to it all the same.

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Ah, those kind of fake attacks. Ignore my comment. Didn't even think of that option due to its uselessness.

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Well seeing CT only hit Ult, and being naped with App, i dont think its wierd that they didnt attract the same attention as TGV, same goes for ND being naped with Ult.
Alliances such as TGV/HR/ODDR/xVx/Innuendo will always attract more incs while being neutral.

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never seen these stats before. Fun to look back at the rounds and realise just exactly why you lost that round :p

But overall, the alliance who won also had the most incs. Cept r17 :(

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Wouter as i said in my post i wasn't aware of how long the only mass incs they got of the round were :p. I know they didn't get mass incs all round.

My point was more to do with how for the first time the block kept pressure on ult all round and stopped them launching and thats what won FAnG the round.

:salute:

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fang overdid their incs, as any ally usually does in any given round

ult, including myself lacked activity from 03:00-08:00, hadn't we grounded gap would have been far worse, as it was it was bad enough.

CT prelaunched 8+ fleets on each planet they hit, as usual, with the odd crash on top to make ults gap even smaller.

sums it up pretty much.

must have been boring for most, cept the allies who went free to roid, tgv, nd etc.

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cba to read this..

but the only reason why someone else apart from ult won this round is, that ult just got tired.. lots of planets were idle, no real action going on..

win is a win, so fang congrats.. but Id still be quite unhappy with such a win if i was fang :D

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because you were happy with last round Ult win ?

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Just a sore loser I think

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Let's first of all see if Fang can defend their roundwin, the second win is the hardest.

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Quiet fun thread to read now that I had nothing else to do.

It is a good collection of "he said" "she said" "they said" and "I belive someone said this and/or that"

:banana:

The stats are from what I understand correct in a way that all is included, but can but only prove as an indication of reality.

But does it really matter?

First thing first, Fang won the round - others were either 2nd, 3rd or further down the rankings.

Secondly, I do not really believe that Fang had a much different win then previous winners? (my knowledge and history does not go further back then 1st or 2nd time ultores won).

Obviously, any alliance seeking a partner will make their end of the story beneficial to their cause, and describe the counter part somewhat worse then it possibly is.

And any alliances joining a side, pretty much does that because they want to. And I belive quiet often the reasoning behind it is either grudge from past rounds happenings, or the simpler form which is the sniff of easy roids.

Some say Ultores going for its 7th win in a row is a weakened ultores. That may be, I am not part of Ultores so I can not speak for the internal workings there. I am simply assuming that the endless blocking/gangbang they have experienced the last rounds becomes tiresome, so the statement might stick?

As to Fang, regardless of how much or little or mediocre incommings they had, they probably won as fair and square as you can win PA, keep in mind that politics and the ability to get enough/right alliances on your side pretty much tips the scale your way. They pulled it together this round with help from others, I find it hard to assume they played any more fair or dirty then others do.

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:salute:

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I think it will be more interesting to see if Ultores can raise from their defeat this round, and win the next :salute:

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It will be more interesting to see other alliances give it a try now that they've seen Ult can be beaten.