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omg like cath is so powerful it sux!!

6 of the top 10 planets are cath, this is so unfair on everyone else, i demand a stats change or a refund!!







(sorry, but i had to do make this post. Mods, feel free to close/delete it :()

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nothing is stopping you and others from hitting them.
Arrows are pretty nice to stop them early on, or spiders, or even enough corsair. Also, it's not like they're not going to get flattened later in the round :p
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Also, Xan have some of the best anti Co around, and they're the most common race atm.

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he's bitter that he lost arguments about cath being underpowered last round (which they were).

he couldn't even wait a reasonable amount of time to see if there's any truth behind his gay little parody.

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Now consider the fact that every cat with half a brain attacks terran.

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and terrens will attack cats,.. either of our podding fleets should get a good return if it's not covered in deffence.

as for the co inc,.. yeah we're gonna get that comming,.. just have to steal some lancers :) or relly on in gal deffence,....

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and they're obviously not going to have any xan, cath or zik gal mates ;)

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Ingal fleetswapping isnt all that commen before PT100... Neither is a proper def fleet.

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Newsflash: Rob is not being serious :o

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Really? Im shocked!

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Cath CR is the way to go kids :/

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appoc, when i talked with you before the beta, i thought you were going to make it so the larger fleet was used first to steal ships for the smaller pod fleet which was used for the latter half of the round?

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Personally I'm attacking Xans right now :)

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:(

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[quote=ComradeRob]omg like cath is so powerful it sux!!

6 of the top 10 planets are cath, this is so unfair on everyone else, i demand a stats change or a refund!!

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Refund? Your paying for this?!

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Yes the scorpion targets Co.

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yes i know that, i meant that the smaller pod fleet was the stronger for the other races for the end of the round, with cath this is not true

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Most people DO pay for this

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it is an unfortunate fact :-(

Strange though that I'm wasting my valuable time (and tiny percentage of my fiver) reading crap like this though. Xans will rule and we all know it, cats never can simply due to them being targets for everyone as it is fairly safe (in terms of casaulties) compared to other races.

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I'd disagree.

Round 12, I think it was, there were plenty of huge caths/ziks (back when ziks didn't steal, but subverted, which was even WORSE than EMP for defence), simply because they were amazing whilst attacking, and were reasonably easy to get covered within alliance.

Caths will be doing just fine this round, whilst I feel xands have been overrated now that the peacekeeper received a drubbing and is pretty shit without respectable alliance support..

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Cath can easily attack zik with both CO and CR.
They can attack ter easily with CO.
Also xan with CO and CR.

Now let's think who zik can attack easily umm... none ?
Xan + cath are going to own this round.

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We ARE Round 14 last time I checked. Thats a bit like saying "oh dear, the war frigate was great in R2 so that means Terran are sure to win"

Xans will do well for the following very simple reasons

1) Even pricing: Everyone else needs to lose money with the fund etc and so has between 5% and 25% less resources spent on ships.

2) Reduced research: With no Cr or BS the average Xan is between 48 and 72hrs better off with research. (Don't you DARE mention struct killers being worth researching! I would finish all my covert ops even before starting siege weapons.) Ziks however for example MUST do this research just to stay alive.

3) Flight time: With this reduced research you can of course taylor planet killing fleets, instead of sending as many fighters at someone you can aim for sending the lot and at no penalty to your flgiht time (assuming you were gonna send frigs anyway). The other 3 races all have large pods and ships which they rely on and so therefore reduces potential defence.

Then of course you got the usual race benefits that we all know such as FA immunity (cloaking), fast init and gun power compared to the problems that for some reason the xans still love making their ships out of paper (it would explain their speed nonetheless) :-)

Cats will do well, but it is only a matter of time until each cat gets fleet catched. Cats, due to emp, will always be a target, and therefore will always lose rocks. Xans however (again assuming all things being equal in terms of casualty rates etc) will eventually be above cats in every way.

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jokes.

Its a good way of trying out the game first. What i'm saying is there is no real advantage of paying for your planet from the start. All the extra funds for roids does is make you a target.

I too have a registered account now. But as to allow me to progress down the research lines.

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You can't really say caths never rule if you don't look back in time at all, do you? Caths ruled in round 12.

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I was still only referring to this round, at no point in my post did i mention that cats never had. Little point discussing the modern game while using old stats. My sarcastic war frigate comment still stands I think :-)

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that was your only argument for cath being shit in r14 and it is clearly disproved by cath owning r12 despite having the same disadvantage.


not really, mines are teh win, as well as proper roid initiation. later on xan have the same problem, as they never have even roids.

it doesn't really change so much, Xan CR/BS have always been a low priority research, and never contributed to xan's attack abilities (in beta as xan i didn't notice there were no CR/BS until tick 150 or such ;) - ok granted this proves nothing but my crappiness in reading stats)

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No. The number of roids you have is your choice and independent of the resources you get at start. There's nothing stopping you from keeping a low roid number, but with bonus at start you still reach that point faster, and eventually end up with more resources at any tick you want to start building ships. Unless you were trying to say "more ships make you a target".

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The WF wasnt all that wonderful in R2 iirc. They were, otoh, exceptionally good in R3, especially when combined with Ghosts for killing hte larger ships, and Cargoships for Flak (Yartrebo's Cargo Armoured Frigate Fleet).

Terrans trade initiative for armour. Xans need their high damage and good init to keep themselves alive, else they are buggered.

It is my opinion, as expressed in the Xandathrii Fleet Composition (R14) thread on Strategy, that a Xan FI/CO fleet will be good at targeting EITHER Terrans OR Ziks. This is due to the simple fact that to attack those different races requires different ships (ie, more Vsh for Ziks and more Pulsars for Terrans being the obvious example). This means, that the repeated targeting of a single race will gradually make Xans resource income imbalanced towards their target race's resoure (ie, M for Terrans and E for Ziks). Thus saying that Xandathrii wont ever have to trade is misleading - and potentially outright wrong.

According to my rough calculation, the Tech Tree says that - not including Siege Weapons and all of the HCT branch of research - 960 ticks of Research. This means that Xandathrii's race 'bonus' adds and additional 96 ticks on top of their otherwise base level of research. Considering that Siege Weapons take a base level of 72 ticks to research, the Xans still loose out - by some 24 ticks - although this is far more if you included the whole HCT branch.

You are right in that Xans have an ETA bonus with their FI fleet. I would remind you, though, that Cathaar CO is also ETA 7 in univese. Furthermore, much of the ships that target FI/CO are themselves ETA 7 (alliance) and thus still provide 1 tick window for defence. However, some ships are not targeted by FI/CO at all and are potentially very important in-gal def ships, like Lancers and Scorpions. This thing about sending FR doesnt make much sense. No xan would send FR along with their CO/FI fleet as that's just silly. Just like Terrans dont send Phoenix along with their BA ships - their effectiveness wont make up for the losses that you would suffer. The suggestions is just folly.

And other races have other benefits. Such as the efficiency and excellent init of EMP which has significant tactital use. Or the array og ships that Zikonains can steal. Terrans trade initiative for armour - saying that xans have cool high damage, excellent init ships (except for Ghosts :p) isnt telling the full story and imo is misleading. Further, other races have other benefits, such a significantly reduced production or construction or research or Covert op bonuses - saying that Xans have FA immunity is also misleading in this context. Futher, Xandathrii fleets are the easiest to guess - so its not that much of an advantage if you know that the Xan has just send their FI and CO to attack you. A simple Unit scan would suffice.

Whilst you are right that Cathaars tend to be easier targets, they dont usually require much defence (especially Xan ships) to cover them totally. You are forgetting that Xandathrii armour is very low, and that it wont take very much at all in the way of ships in a fleetcatch to kill thier fleet entirely. A few k of Sents does a huge amount of damage to Xan FI - even if you loose the Sents, the person being caught has lost their capacity to attack again and is extremely vulnerable.

And, Terran BA fleets are excellent against Cathaars (and Ziks) :). R13 demonstrated that the race best able to attack the race that is going to wtfpwn will automatically do well - as their targets will be larger and thus more roids and XP etc. Thus, it would make sense that Terrans will have a field day when attacking Cathaars - who cant really do stuff all to save themselves. http://web.onetel.net.uk/%7Ekarmulia.../FIREdevil.gif

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Harpies rox0r

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Actually, now all 10 of the top 10 planets are Cath. That is wrong, horribly, horribly wrong. It was a crappy mistake to make the only contending race (Xan) so weak this round. I pray to Appocomaster that they fix this.

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I think you'll find that xan doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell to match cat, whereas terran does.

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Are you seriously suggesting a mid-round change to the ship stats?

If so, that has just eliminated any credibility that the rest of your post just had :\

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blablub.
Terran and Zik are just starting to use their battleships and they are as successful with it as Cath are with Cr, to say the least. So wait a few days and then swallow your tongue over that post.

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soooo true!!!

PA team fails to make balanced stats every round!

why did nobody see this in Beta?

anyway, I can just congratulate those few who took Cath! You'll have a damn fun round

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omg omg it must be broken!! For gods sake it's only tick 157. If Cath wasn't top right now, I'd be extremely worried.


Cathaar have the advantage of quick research, meaning that they have reached their CR and should be able to roid with near impunity for the next couple of days. Terrans/Ziks are still getting their BS, and so haven't reached this stage. And there's lots of concentrated anti-FI at the moment, making life hard for Xans.

Wait for tick 1000, and we'll see how things look. Until then...bye.

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I dont even detect a slight amount of defensiveness from you, mate :). Of Course cathaar are not broken - because that's the race you are playing ;) :p

Your arguments, though, do actually make sense :(.

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I predict that over the course of the next few weeks you will see Cats dropping out of the top 100 and being replaced by Ziks.

I frigging hope so anyway seeing as I went Zik!

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CR/BS is going to rule the game in this coming period. i do suggest y'all to stock up on your anti-said above :o

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lol cath lol

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hmm, guess you were absolutely right. Problem with Xan their Anti-CR is crap!!!

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If more "top players" had gone Terran not Xan, Cath would be weaker on the Cr front. However, on the flip side, all these Terrans wouldnt have stolen Lancers, screwing over Cath Co fleets ;).
Terrans with enough Lancers are as nasty as Cath Cr, tbh. Dragons and Scarabs are good vs Cr.
Did no one read Sov's Cath guide? "BUILD SCARABS" :/

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why do stats need an overhaul every round, why is it impossible to ammend stats from previous rounds, i just dont get it

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It's not a matter of whether the ships classes and targetting fits together nicely. The cats are just fundementally over powered because of their high damage/cost ratio and low initatives, simple as that really. Their fleets are too effective.

Alkl, its because otherwise we'd all get very bored of this game.

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But despite the high damage:cost ratio, people can still take free roids from them (well, except for CO/FR/BS now), and so they're still a major target. I know my FI like to eat caths, as not many caths have enough beetles to stop me (4.5k by PT416...) and as htey spend more on CR, I think FI will become more and more viable!

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it's a shame that co fr and BS are like most of the pod fleets though isn't it. and that the CO especially is fire which can't be returned. (and the anti fr is similar). yeah cat will always be a major target, it's their nature, but i can't help thiking.. looking at some of the cat kill ships, that they're very powerful in terms of their dmg, something which never used to be the case. When a cat kill ships becomes one of the best defences against a certain class of ship, it does tell you that if something isn't broken... at the very least the mechanisms and race definitions are changing, and currently i think the other teams noteably xan, have some catching up to do.

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(For the record) Cath kill ships were pretty ace in round 9.

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They weren't too bad in other rounds either. They were only particularly bad in round 13.

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Guardians in R9 > *

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*Update*

A Zik and a Ter in t10

*update*

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there were more than that a bit back :P but then it went all cath again. And now it's not again. TBH I expect more Terrans to come through in the near future, as with Lancers they're pretty hard for Cath to hit.

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Like omg who attacks with co anyway?