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Two and a half million pounds!!!! No ****ing way.
The cynical side of me assumes this is a publicity stunt from some of the donors, lets face it shes had the surprise sex and burial under the patio treatment by now. So the NOTW and 'high profile' businessmen pledge their money to return her knowing they'll probably never have to pay out. I'm very skeptical whether 'overweight black girl from the ghetto'* would get nearly the same amount of coverage/sympathy/treatment. Don't get me wrong i wish her well, but the massive media coverage is if anything making me more unsympathetic (purely because it makes me literally turn off). *insert undesirables of choice |
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All I can say is hope for the best for the girl, and I hope she comes back. Making jokes at this stage is a bit low (imo) |
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what the ****
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It really goes without saying that if poor Madeleine were not a pretty little white girl, the media wouldn't care, and neither would most of the country. The same went for Sarah Payne as opposed to Victoria Climbie. America did the same over Natalee Holloway. |
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I figure the news of the world feel they owe the family a few after all the papers they've ran on the story.
I don't really like that Richard Branson, Stephen Winyard etc. are going to those lengths to support this particular family just because the media have gone mad on it. I haven't found anyone that's actually wrapped in the story. Everyone seems to be sorry. Sorry but frustrated as to why this has got quite this much attention, and why other missing kids are forgotten about! |
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Pity it happened in Portugal really, we would've been ready to send out thousands of help Madeleine text messages straight away had it been in the UK..! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4847750.stm
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She is an innocent girl who can't defend herself. Her parents are going to hell and back worrying about her, and as for Madeline herself I hate to even bring myself to think what has happened/happening to her. I don't think cracking a joke on the internet about her is appropriate. (Nor is it appropriate in real life). You are right the media has drawn my attention to her, doesn't mean that I shouldn't feel sorry for her. |
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It is possible to be too cynical and sarcastic on the net to try and look cool/funny in front of others.
In this case, it isn't funny at all. |
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i dont see why the parents arnt getting any ****ing blame in all of this.
They checked every 30 mins, so much can happen in that time. Surely leaving 3 under 4's "sleeping" is a shit idea so they can have dinner. jeez |
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This is a young child we are talking about. Sure making jokes in the London bombing thread wasn't too appropriate but unlike then the only thing we know for sure is that young madeline has been kidnapped. We don't know if she is dead/alive etc. Also there is a level of acceptance. Making a joke about a defenseless young girl compared to a group of people who were horribly killed by an act of terrorism is different in my eyes. Like Tomkat said it is possible to be too cynical/sarcastic, and this is one of those moments. |
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Also I think the reservation for criticism is being saved for after the situation has been resolved. For now many, including myself are hoping for the safe return of this young child. Thus my thoughts can only go out to the parents instead of criticising them. I know it's not cool to feel sorry for people, but I really do in this situation. |
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Both this and the London Bombings joke thread were pretty terrible.
For a parent to lose a child in this way is a tragedy and I hope they find Madeleine, alive and unharmed. Yes the parents were silly not watching over their children but I guess the last thing you expect to happen on holiday is to have your child abducted. I don't know about you I don't find abducting of children acceptable or understandable anywhere, even if the parents weren't vigilant enough. Just delete this thread, it's shit. |
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This thread is interminably dull |
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"**** Natalee Holloway".
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/7/3/491/18474 And as I quoted in my blog nearer the time : Quote:
* = Not necessarily literally, but in the sense of momentarily worrying for loved ones, etc. |
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incoherent rubbish. get some prozac ffs |
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Saying "you laugh because it's funny" is true but unhelpful. Why was it funny? |
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b) I did not say it was to 'deal with the pain'; I said "deal with the event" those londoners here who are not housebound social retards had to get on the tube the next day as well as a myriad of other aspects which come with an event of this kind. c) I am sure that comedy does help overcome pain d) Using the response "no you didn't" when someone tells you how they feel may work well in the schoolyard but it looks remarkably silly here e) How many people must laugh at you while pointing and chanting "spastic" until you get the message. |
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If the some of the posters in this thread or wider society think they would be an equatable level of coverage/money, all power to them. But if you don't think there would be a similar reaction, i'm not really sure why i've said anything that scandalous; my point is simply that the type of media attention given is making be disassociate with MM. Still to juxtapose with the london bombings thread, the outcry is because people in this country are more connected (for lack of a better term) with blond haired blue eyed four year olds - shes one of 'us'. Yet the rationale for the london bombing jokes was because we connected with it - the victims were 'us'. I wasn't aware that surprise sex comments were suddenly unsayable, but surely if anything its in keeping with the LBJ thread? |
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Gallows humor abounds in many cultures. Certaninly it does in America though one could argue that we caught it from the mother country.
My take is that Milo is offended by the over coverage of essentially human interest type stories which have relatively little impact on daily life of most people. I concur in this distaste for the over sensationalized coverage of many stories. I was pulling my hair out on the Holloway story after a very few days. I was recently apalled to see another Holloway story on the tv when the authorities dug up the VanderSlute backyard. And at the risk of seeming insensitive, the entire time I was watchintg the Holloway coverage I kept being amazed at the fact that her step-father was going on the air and using his nickname of "Jug" instead of his real name. However, the fact that the victim in this case is of such a tender age that it gets a little bit distastefull to make her the butt of what was essentially a paedophile joke. |
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Can you clarify what you mean by 'abstractly about me'. If brown communists got blown up, would it be funny? |
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And milo/horn are right. If you want to feel miserable about 3-year-olds, give money to landmine charities and help. Don't indulge this horseshit. You didn't know the girl and her nationality and circumstance don't somehow make her unique among the thousands of child casualties every day. |
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Is the girl dead yet? I am getting a bit tired of a ****ing toddler getting full media coverage while every day the world gets more and more ****ed up.
'Human intrest' sells, but when do we reach the limit where we say 'we stop selling this shit' or 'we stop buying this shit' .... I fear the worst. I would be an intresting thesis if it wouldn't be better for 'society' in general if she just appeared to be dead now with a nice explanation, like 'crazy man took her, killed her then killed himself'.... or what would happen if some predator (animal like) took her and killed her ... or some child kidnapping organization to sell her as a slave .. The intresting part of this all is the huge, huge overreaction the cause of her death will get... Anyway I hope it is soon over, the best solution would be finding her without having any clue what happened and just a 'smile' on her face.. |
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or like this ;]
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This is a relatively short-term situation. Oxfam is long-term.
But hey, if you want to argue using extreme analogies that aren't that relevant to the one in question, then you keep on doing that bucko. |
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I'm pretty sure crime is a long-term problem too.
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i think a baby dying of starvation somewhere in africa might be a short term situation to them, even if we have a tendency to view tragedy on that scale as a long term thing because these people are statistics to us.
Also agreeing entirely with Phang. Thats right. You heard me. |
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There was a slightly sinking feeling that this could escalate, or be the start of things to come - will there be an upsurge in racism or police "crackdowns", etc, etc. And even in an atomised/alienated city there still is a civil society and collective "mood" of sorts. So yeah, an opportunity to laugh probably helped a bit, but I'm not that emotional anyway. Speaking generally laughter has some "healing" power I'd say. From what I've seen/know of Irish wakes, part of the point is to have a joke and laugh about the deceased to help everyone overcome some of the grief. Now, not every joke will be at the expense of the deceased, but if someone stood up and recalls an anecdote where the deceased (his brother) was slightly embarrassed then I suspect most people would think this appropriate and probably laugh. Now, if a random person who'd never met or knew of the deceased came in off the street and told abusive jokes about the dead then I suspect the crowd's response might be a tad different. No? Quote:
So I guess there's three factors (although it's not conscious, obviously). 1. How genuinely brave is the humour? (it does not have to be). 2. How do I relate to the subject matter? 3. How does the person telling the joke relate to the subject matter? I am a big fan of Bill Hicks but his entire trailer trash "bit" makes me want to be sick. I can't relate to it ("lol, it's true - I do sleep with my sister while living off welfare!") and Bill tells the routine from the perspective of someone not who grew up in a trailer park (or even poverty) but from someone who watches Cops. And it's basically spineless comedy, which from him was disappointing. Now, it's possible to subvert these rules and be funny, but it has to be well done. An Anglo-Jewish comic does a bit along the lines of : Quote:
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"Show me a man who laughs at defeat....and I'll show you a Jamaican chiropodist with a sense of humour." But the person I said it to didn't know what a chiropodist was, so there was no humour at all. Quote:
Very simple example : The biggest fans I have ever met of the Life of Brian bit with the "Judean's People's Front" vs "The Popular Front of Judea" rivalry are extreme lefties because they know that is all so true, and despite the fact it's a tragedy (to them at least) that the far left is so fragmented and shit and something they blame (perhaps somewhat egocentrically) for the appalling state of (bits of) the world. Any subject is suitable for humour as I have said many times, but context and timing is everything. I watched a Pilger documentary on Friday, large sections of which were describing various horrors, to which there was a dark humour to some of it. Some of the humour though stemmed from the fact you (as a bunch of lefties watching a documentary) were supposed to have an emotional connection with the lefties on screen (even if they were "brown"). That emotional connection to me is what makes humour possible (even when very dark humour). |
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(I agree with your overall point however) |
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I have sympathy for the parents, because they will both be consumed by guilt for the rest of their lives, but what were they thinking!! :confused: |
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Its not paranoid to not leave your children unattended in that situation like your trying to imply it is.. If that's what you would do with your children that's fine. You will be the one who will have to live with the consequnces, knowing YOU allowed a paedophile to get to your child (if that were to happen).
And as for you saying that this kind of thing is smoothering children in cotton wool (or whatever) is missing the point. Maybe when the kid is older you can begin to let go - secondary school seems a good place to start if it is deemed they can travel home from school on their own. |
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For all you know they could be selling the children into slave labour or selling them to paedphiles, but does that make them a paedophile? I don't think so! |
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Ah, the predatory paedophiles. Roaming the country in large gangs looking for unattended children to throw in a sack and carry away to the paedophile palace to be raped and murdered :(
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I believe there was actually a free babysitting service at the hotel they were staying. However you never know, the babysitter could have been a paedophile! One cannot be too careful these days.
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Everyones a potential paedophiles.
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The only solution is ugly children.
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Does anyone else think people care more about blonde haired blue eyed girls because on some level they probably want to bone them when they grow up? From an evo-psych perspective it makes sense.
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Why bother with when she grows up? But yeah my interest is only there if theres a sense of depraving the beautiful, im pretty sure most if not all people are the same. When this is eventually solved there will be the inevitable books giving blow-by-blow accounts of what happened to her to satisfy the darker side of human psych - the funny thing is the people who buy those books would probably be first in line shouting down child-porn for enduring the suffering of the child or supporting absurd notions like 'abuse by proxy' |
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Are you thinking up these ridiculous arguments to try to argue your point, or are you just being deliberately difficult? |
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