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Since there is some confusion regarding racist gal banners and ruler/planet names I am going to attempt to clarify things for the community.
There is a zero tolerance policy. This means if you select a racist gal banner or a racist ruler/planet name, your account will be closed. No warnings. It is immediate closure. If you are not sure if your selection is racist or not, please, visit #multihunters on IRC and we will be more than happy to assist you. Thank you |
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I'll add that the racism on the forums will also lead to being banned on the forums.
As a general rule to posting, if you think something might be construed as racist play it safe and don't post it. Alternativly run it past a forums mod first. |
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Define "racism" please. It would be helpful in the context to explain why PICTURE 1 is considered racist. Perhaps we could also be advised as to whether PICTURE 2 would be considered racist. If not, why not?
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Right - for the forums, picture 1 is certainly out of bounds. That is an overtly racist ritual that would certainly not be permitted. I've deleted the link to it.
Picture 2 is not something I would consider racist, in fact much the opposite - it's more making fun of racists for the stupid views they hold. I'm sure there are some people who would find it offensive though. I'm not sure i'd be inclined to moderate it if it was posted in the right context on a non-PA related forum. In game, anything that's mildly offensive is likely to be taken down, because rules are generally stricter there. I've deleted the link to picture 2 too, as to be honest the link seemed rather dubious and I had no desire to find out what it was. |
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I can't believe you people are comparing racism to an uncaptioned photograph of a KKK ritual. To say I view it as moronic is an understatement.
Anyone who censors that photo is no better than a squealing fundamentalist raging at the publication of a caricature of their God. It actually makes me more than a little annoyed to see the genuine issue of racism in our society reduced to this shit. |
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As a galaxy image I think you would have to delete it as it could come across racist in the context that a galaxy image imposes. A caption however might change and soften the negative context. On the forums, in the way you used it however I don't believe it is racist in the slightest. As such I would have left it personally |
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I for one appreciate the heavy handed moderation of the PA administration. This is a war game, not a place to offend people or hurt their feelings.
I am frightened of historical facts. I am also fearful of pictures from the past because sometimes they're b*ack and whi*e! We need to protect our young 12 year old PA players from seeing such hate filled garbage. I am sure we can all see the value in quick in game deletions and banning for anything that can be considered remotely offensive to anyone. Kudos all around. |
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If somebody is expressing hatred or discrimination to any particular race/creed then steps should be taken to counter, prevent or stop this whether it's on the internet or otherwise.
However, the line that one draws between racism and something that may just be a little politically incorrect is somewhat blurry. To save having to make the distinction, it's easier for things to be in black and white than to assess greyscale. |
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People in charge of the game don't want to be involved in lawsuits either I think... find it idiotic rather than offensive, the law will apply all the same.
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I think it's also worth the bits for the Multihunting crew to pay particular attention to whether a sign up name used to tag you to a (more or) less legit database the definition of which has been left vague at best for the user population is in fact valid or not. It's rather important to root the freebie accounts for false user information. |
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on another note, and i'm completely neutral in this whole thing, but isn't racism taught/learned? with that in mind, aren't the pictures historical in nature? i understand that they probably don't belong in this environment, but banning them for being racist only serves to teach hatred and bias about what the pictures or events portray - not the historical meaning. with that in mind, is there a way to just deem them 'inappropriate' or something instead of always having a white/black/jewish/etc discussion about it?
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I have heavilly moderated this thread as it has gone off topic and got out of hand.
http://forums.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=194799 details how the mh team deal with various thigns in game. If anyone has any questions on this please start a new thread asking them and keep this thread on the topic of racism. This thread clarifies the previous statement of severe action would be taken on any racist content. If anyone wish to make any complaints about a member of PATeam and how they enforce the rules they should contact Yv.(Yvrelle on forums) |
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You all smell.
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I'm not racist, i hate everyone :/
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If so he was banned, not a severe ban as he was trying to be funny and stepped over the line but he was given a ban (plus warnings that if he wasn't careful he would find the ban being longer). As I have said here context and tone is important when it comes to racism. I know alot of do gooders seem to think that its racism if you say anything that could be considered slightly negative BUT thats not being racist. Its only racist if the context and tone make it so. A swastika is not racist, a picture of the KKK is not racist, the St Georges cross is not racist, the N word is not racist (despite it being blocked here), an attempt at humour/satire is not racist. They only become racist if used as in a racist context and tbh anyone who takes offence to any of these things or the millions of other such things needs to grow thicker skin and stop being so petty because if we keep going down this PC path we wont be able to say or do anything incase we offend someone. And ultimately it only hinders the battle against real racism and imho actually increases racism by increasing resentment against ethnic minorities Interesting PATeam weren't bothered about the racism in that post. They were more concerned with the fact that Lokken made a light hearted reply and the fact that I had the cheek to take 7 hours away from the forums to do PAID work. Go figure |
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As we do you :p |
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Mek is a snitch on the internet. It is good to know that we can now add racism to Denial's long list of accomplishments though.
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I think I know what the picture in question was, but deleting the link to it is stupid. It's comparable to deleting links to pictures of concentrations camps because 'they promote nazism'. And the same should be accounted for ingame. As Fiery says, go check it out if it's an edge case. The aforementioned picture with the caption 'Remember past crimes'* is completely different contextually than if captioned 'OMGWTFBBQ'. A picture of Hitler isn't racist until you add 'My hero <3'. * Even though this might still not be appropriate for ingame usage. That's not really for me to decide. |
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(And hey, if you do, that's ok with me. Just stay away from me and don't hurt anybody because of your insecurities.) Edit: But really the entire discussion is pretty much fallacious. Neither of these events were even majorly to Hitler's credit. In as much as he is a symbol of either one, he's more a symbol of the eradication of undesirables than he is a symbol of Germany's economic rebound in the 30s. |
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this one guy, who was sending a massive fleet at me, well i clicked on his galaxy. and there it was. a picture i consider racist. how much money can i expect from the company that hosts this game?" |
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<3 ya though :) |
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I just read this thread whilst watching a Chris Rock stand up. Begs the question. If a black GC put up a gal banner with the naughty n word in it would it be considered racist ;) I know... age old arguement but fk it I can't be assed typing out the whole arguement about malicious and satirical racism so I'll just fall back on that cliche and leave the argument to people who actually know wht sparked this thread in the first place ;) |
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I love horn.
Now I have 2 heroes starting with H. |
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*edit* pretty drastic comparison there, but theres a point somewhere.. |
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if hitler was a jew would he have been the architect of the jewish holocaust? Not a drastic comparison, more like an ill conceived comparison.
Chris Rock is black and therefore its acceptable for him to use the n word. You could even take it further by looking at that despair.com poster with the picture of all the white presidents, obama at the end and the caption 'Combo Breaker'. For me that would be racist as it is a comment based on the colour of someones skin, but i would also class it as satirical rather than malicious, and therefore (to me) acceptable. Thats the point I was trying to make ;) |
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Fools.
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if someone puts up a banner "I hate Xans' will it be considered racist ?
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My humble opinion is that this is a game. How hard can it be to try to avoid stepping on peoples toe's. Who am I to say what people should think or how they should react to a picture or words? Allthough I suppose I could be a target for racism, I couldn't care less what people (like Horn or Wishmaster for instance) feels about me, but that doesn't mean that others will feel the same.
I honestly can't see how the game would change by people just using relatively harmless banners and galnames. I think there are better forums then this to express views that can be hurtful to others. |
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TBH I also don't see why anyone has an issue with the word itself or with the other n word. The accepted term atm is Black. Negro however is Spanish for Black and niger which is the basis of the N word is Latin for black so it seems a little silly that anyone has issues with either word just because in the past they have been used in a derogatory way. What next in 10 years time using the word Black in anyway will be considered offensive unless your black because people have used Black in a derogatory way? |
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You can't unsee it.
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Can we ban then communistic symbols aswell, just in case? Cause communism is equal to nazism.
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i support that one!
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Was he not trying to be sarcastic?
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It has recently come to my attention that not enough people understand how great racism has been to our lives. Each day we wake up and likely have one or more racism lying at the foot of our beds. It is wonderful to be able to wake up and smile each morning because of this.
Social & Cultural Factors racism has a large role in American Culture. Many people can often be seen taking part in activities associated with racism. This is partly because people of most ages can be involved and families are brought together by this. Generally a person who displays their dislike for racism may be considered an outcast. Economic Factors It is not common practice to associate economics with racism. Generally, racism would be thought to have no effect on our economic situation, but there are in fact some effects. The sales industry associated with racism is actually a 2.3 billion dollar a year industry and growing each year. The industry employs nearly 150,000 people in the United States alone. It would be safe to say that racism play an important role in American economics and shouldn't be taken for granted. Environmental Factors After a three month long research project, I've been able to conclude that racism doesn't negatively effect the environment at all. A racism did not seem to result in waste products and couldn't be found in forests, jungles, rivers, lakes, oceans, etc... In fact, racism produced some positive effects on our sweet little nature. Political Factors Oh does racism ever influence politics. Last year 5 candidates running for some sort of position used racism as the primary topic of their campaign. A person might think racism would be a bad topic to lead a campaign with, but in fact with the social and environmental impact is has, this topic was able to gain a great number of followers. These 5 candidates went 4 for 5 on winning their positions. Conclusion racism seem to be a much more important idea that most give credit for. Next time you see or think of racism, think about what you just read and realize what is really going on. It is likely you under valued racism before, but will now start to give the credited needed and deserved. Footnotes racism researched in wikipedia. racism @ dictionary.com |
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All and everything is just evil!
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We Want Change!
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It is not an edgy news journal with a pressing need to protect its journalistic integrity. That coupled with the fact that many of the more "amusing" (and I use that word in the most sarcastic sense I can possibly muster) members of the community will immediately look at this much needed step as an open invitation to push the rules as far as possible just for the hell of it. I mean look at this very thread, its a simple message from Firey stating that the appallingly lax status quo is finally being addressed and what do you get? Lame attempts at humour, based on the subject of racism. Well I don't find them funny, and I am extremely glad that something is being done about this. Hopefully homophobia will be addressed too. Sadly nothing will ever (can ever?) be done about this on IRC which is the real problem area as far as this subject is concerned. |
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The internet is made for promoting hate and racism, not for getting along. |
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Yes.
Very good point. It was my mistake, if I had never wanted to suffer indignation I should never have pointed my browser at: pirate.4chan-lite-atarion.com I can assure you that every time I do so the urge to repeat the action diminishes considerably. |
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PA should be G-rated. IRC too, while we're at it.
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The correct way to fix this problem is to engage them. This thread does that, the banhammer does not. |
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