Lokken: is he shit?
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you're shit for thinking he's shit :\
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Noone knows, that was my point. Sure the effort he did 30 rounds ago made an impact on the game back then, but it is absolutely not comparable to now. His arguments are based on what he has OBSERVED from the inside of 1 single alliance, Ascendancy. When he writes about how rounds went on, what would happen if this and that, remember that he has not actually played this round, it is just an opinion he set his mind to, based on circlejerking in a closed environment, a channel called #Ascendancy.
Ive been involved enough, for quite some time now. I have spent so much time on this game, and round 32 was in particular a really hard round. I'm not found of that someone from the sideline tells us that we only won because the "best" alliance did not bother to. Objectively, I am one of the people in this game that has enough knowledge to say what alliance was the best functioning one in each of the rounds from round 32 and on. Round 33 was Ascendancy, but round 32,34,35 Apprime was unmatched on too many levels, which ultimately lead to roundwin. So we dont even know what kind of a player Lokken is, because compared to most players around him, he has not even tried. He is full of shit on these forums, but it doesnt make him shit, yet. |
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The simple fact is that Lokken's expositions of most situations are amongst the best in the business in spite of his narrow viewpoint just think what he would be like if he got 'out' more! Actually I think the quality in Lokkens posts is that he tends to do a large post summing up positions after most others have spoken so he has the opportunity to evaluate their positions and take them on board. Most people post replying to a couple of posts directly preceding theirs, all Lokken has to do to show wisdom is take the whole picture as laid out in several pages of thread and digest it. |
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And if people don't mind me switching to my mod voice for a minute, despite the fact that this topic has just about 0 to do with alliances, I'm leaving it open for now. Behave, though. |
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about lokken, like last 10rounds all he does just opens sandmans from his phone, checks whos been roided who get most roids etc ect, then opens forums and claims he knows something about whats going on, thats pretty much what lokken was doing for a long time to be honest, and to Londo talking about ascendancy tbh everyone knows jbg = ascendancy, if he plays its good( i mean babysit everyone), if its not its even worse than any alliance out of top10, if its not true tell me about it?
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OK: it's not true.
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Who's lokken?
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No. Lokken is a top top bloke.
He just spends too much time playing a very boring web based game. |
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If you take the last thread, i never bashed anyone.. I just disagree'd with some people and thought the rules should be changed for next round. I started the thread saying that he should be closed under the support rule (not bashing him or insulting him just saying that his tactic is/could be against the rules) but someone pointed out what the support rule actually says and it was clear he was not in violation of it. So i then was trying to argue the point to change the rules for next round. The only person who actually bashed someone in that thread, was JBG to me (and he had to be moderated and warned). So by your logic, he was bashing on me to get some respect.. but also, isnt your post bashing on me? :) I very rarely if ever bash someone or insult them but i do disagree with people on these forums alot of the time (Mainly due to the main posters on this forum being Asc and they openly have the mindset of no restrictions at all) but isnt that what the forums are for? In Hanzi's case, he isnt so much hating on Lokken as much as he disliked Lokkens posts which tried to imply that Apprime was never the best alliance in the rounds they won as Asc could of won if they tried. To which, i agree with Hanzi, the fact Asc didnt have the members willing to put in the effort directly means that Asc was not the best alliance that round. By that logic, any alliance is the best ever alliance, if only there members and HC were willing to put in all the effort required. |
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I dont hate lokken, I am saying that he is not doing anything, and he has no business in giving any round summaries like it was the truth.
Londo, when did you actually do anything useful in Asc? You just talk aswell, but you have never worked hard for your alliance. Like Izverg say up here, ascendancy only works when JBG is on duty, and babysit everyone. Think it over, who else in Ascendancy have put down the effort like this man? And how successful were you when he was idle? Londo you seem to forget that Apprime is a multi round dominating alliance aswell. It has been harder to succeed after round 29, exactly because of the dominance of ascendancy in r28 and 29, the universe let you run away with it, which is why Ascendancy had to work so hard for its win in round 30, and Apprime certainly did not get any wins for free. You also seem to forget that JBG and his pokemon jesterina kicked out a bunch of people from Ascendancy after round 31, and you lost a lot of valuable players who would be able to keep Ascendancy at its round30 level. The discussion is not about lokken as a person at all, its about the posts he make, and how he tries to make it look like any other alliance then Ascendancy was dominant. Londo you are in this category aswell. |
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Your entire point rests on one single logical fallacy. Don't fall off.
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On other note, funny how you feel attacked by posts relating to Apprime's wins. Though Apprime certainly earned them, I will give credit to Cardi and his politics over anything you might have done. Clarification, not sure what you've done exactly, I wasn't Apprime. But from I've heard, you were no shining beacon. PS: Light, the only reason I included you into my post was because "getting into l(L)ight" seemed a bit funny. No need to attention whore here. :P |
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Ricoshay are you trying to make it look like i want to be in Asc? You have some good people in there, people who do things without screaming out for credit, the backbone of your alliance. Don't pretend you are one of them.
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I am not too sure where I pretended to be one of the "people who do things without screaming out for credit, the backbone of your alliance". But hey, this is the forums, everyone is free to speak whatever they like. You are free to throw random junk, while I am free to point out the obvious. :]
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And nah, I am not posting for attention, so I'll let you get back to being bashed without my interference. Cheers! :salute: |
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I can´t agree with Hanzi. I usually enjoy reading Lokkens posts, they´re well thought through and usually interesting summaries with a touch of nasty humor and slapping people around with the obvious.
As to alliance achievements: While Apprime certainly is a top quality alliance, to me they´re still the (let´s reuse the picture here) "young kid" looking for fame. They´ve had some well played round wins (credit where it is due!), but they still lack some achievements Asc got on the scoreboard. Total domination like in r28, fighting an alliance like Omen r30 (slightly lacking quality but made up by durability), backed by the whole active universe, having rules and game mechanics changed because of your tactics. That´s the slim difference between a top alliance and an (almost?) historical one. The impact you had on the game, which is not just mesaured by the number of roundwins. |
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bored after incomings.. just going to ask, what has this topic to do with alliance discussion... Maybe move it elsewhere and hmm lokken is Ok.
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Both being in omen round 30 (5 days hurrah), and then fighting omen round 30 with Ascendancy, i know this from the inside. Fighting P3nguins in round 32 was certainly comparable to Omen in round 30. If you talk about the nerfing of fortress galaxies, then you are clearly taking too much credit. This one must be shared between asc and apprime, as neither is any better then the other at building strong pure gals. And what happened last round, when fortress gals were supposed to be impossible/harder to create? Apprime successfully created them anyways. Resulting in round 36 being private gals, so everyone could make "fortresses" without any effort or thinking. Coincidence? Then i must say the changing of xp-formula after round 16 was a coincidence as well. 1 point to Apprime and half a point to ascendancy, for the changes in game mechanics to nerf fortress gals. Lets also talk about the defense system, and the changes in game mechanics we had here. If you remember round 34, which was the last round we could defend whoever we wanted to. Apprime was fighting multiple alliances way before Ascendancy even smelled war, more precisely around 700 ticks into the game. Facing new problems with the support planet rule, thanks to the opposition consisting of mainly CT/ND/SUBH/DLR/ND. They all defended eachother, without caring about the support planet rule, which was very clear on how much defense you were allowed to send outside your alliance/gal. Apprime met no sympathy among the multihunters, and the multihunters answer was they would monitor the fleet movements, and give warnings to people who broke it. A warned planet would not be allowed to defend anyone else then his/hers own alliance/gal. A week later, no warnings were issued. Now i do know App/asc/vision worked together later this round, but the pressure on the multihunters, the hundreds of newsscans used to document breaking of the support planet rule, the actual dedication into forcing the multihunters to do something about it, was all Apprime. This resulted in a hardcoded change, leaving the support planet pretty much impossible to break. So you see Apprime is getting there, having played 4 rounds, won 3 of them, actively contributed to changes in game mechanics, total domination in round35. We will see where this ends, but clearly Apprime have proved my now that Ascendancy cant simply pull the "we would have won if we tried" card on Apprime. |
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respect your elders!
oops! *bows to Old Dawn* |
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As for r35, I seriously can´t remember a thing, had a lazy scanner account and studied, so I missed about everything that happened and certainly didn´t try to keep anything of the bits I read in mind. My focus was just elsewhere in life. Quote:
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We had salvage changed after r30 because Asc gained from hostiles crashing around the clock. I could try to think of more, but I think you should get the picture. Quote:
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Apprime certainly is an alliance that will be remembered as one of the top shots, but I think you can still do better. ;) |
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pretty much everyone saw how shit ascendancy is without JBG putting effort for you all. :salute:
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As to changes: The biggest one asc has caused has been in alliance organisation rather than anything ingame. Quote:
I dont think that asc is likely to be top again for some time (if ever), everyone can no longer be bothered, just look at today where we must have had 50+ incs reported late. (btw even jbg cant save you from late reported incs!) |
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everyone that is "jbg" once again
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It is undeniable that JBG's activity certainly correlates with Ascs success or failure quite closely.
HaNzI why the hate, this whole thread from your perspective seems based on personal attacks, on Lokken, on rico and on me. The forum is open to all to air their views WHETHER THEY ARE ACTIVE IN THEIR ALLIANCE OR NOT. I will DC for my gal when it has incs, Ascendancy asks no more. When I said Ascendancy is the only dominating alliance not to have left the stage i in no way meant to imply that it was the last dominating alliance, indeed the whole metaphor was meant to imply that the stage became apprimes but ascendancy clings on without the right to be there. I was saying that Apprime is the current Ascendancy in power terms but we hang around anyway - you totally misinterpreted my post. |
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"I was saying that Apprime is the current Ascendancy in power terms but we hang around anyway - you totally misinterpreted my post."
ascendancy need many more years to become in the level apprime is :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: |
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I love how you're trying to change the goalposts, the discussion was weither Apprime was the best alliance in the rounds they won which they was. Yeah, Asc did some stuff in the past but that was in the past and its certainly not that historical. An alliances main aim is to win, Apprime had a domination round, Apprime would of been fighting Asc in previous rounds but Asc failed to muster any competition, and having rules changed means nothing in the grand scheme of things. |
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i just joked there ! and i like how ascendancy this round says "round is decided already" ascendancy gave up without any fight already because JBG is offline once again. good job to show again what you guys for real are
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An alliances main aim is to give what its members want from it - often that includes winning. I know ascendancy has said what you said many times before in the hopes of goading competition in the 2nd or 3rd allies but it dosent make it any more true! |
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I assume you mean last round? How is asc supposed to provide competition when our best players were in app? |
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I just love how this thread have turned from: is Lokken shit to Apprime is better than Ascendancy.
Credit to Light, Isverg and some morons who actually picked up a fight with these ludicrus people who make every post a pro Asc or pro App thread. |
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Ascendancy is one of the best alliances that has existed, if not the best, and i never tried to belittle them. What i did was to react on posts that was pro asc, and that the same time belittled Apprimes efforts as alliance.
Both alliances have dominated, Asc have existed a bit longer and achieved a little more in total, but Apprime has achieved a lot in the 4 rounds they played. Most of the posters have no insight in the last 4-5 rounds, but they still post like they know it all, and this is the reason we have these stupid arguments. This is the reason i reacted, because lokken have no ****ing clue about what has been going on the last rounds. He indeed writes good posts, but that does not mean his facts are right. |
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And as you specifically say he has never worked hard for an alliance Londo was practically the only dc on duty every day for Subh in round 25, and again was pretty much the only dc for Audentes in round 29 as the rest of us had given up (if waking up practically every day for a round at 4:30 and dcing until 10 or 11 is not working hard for you alliance I dont know what is). When a dc in round 26 for jenova and in round 28 in TGV with me he did every other day. You might say that ascendancy is our retirement where we get to only dc for a gal every so often when it gets incs! |
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Most of the posters have a different insight into the last 4-5 rounds, as long as they paid a modicum of attention through those rounds it is valid. The pity of these boards is that there are so few differing perspectives, so many of the posters come from ascendancy, whether asc was owning or not has no relevance to whether its members can put forward a decent analysis from their own viewpoint. Whenever any one of us, Lokken, JBG, Mz, anyone puts forward the facts they are still as we see them, that people take them to heart is up to them and the posters long record of posting well reasoned and/or credible information will be the deciding factor on how that information is taken. The simple fact is Lokken and those mentioned above have a long and fairly creditable record so people pay attention when they write in a way that people may not when I write, or you write. |
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Lets generalize it and say he draws conclusions without facts, or the facts are twisted to make them pro ascendancy. He idles in #Ascendancy and is colored by general opinions in there, so its expected. He was simply the victim in my post because i have seen him doing this before, and hopefully i don't have to address everyone. He can take this somewhat of a burden on his own!
Most posters are from Ascendancy, which is why its important that i respond. My view might be a bit colored by Apprime, but i have the ability to reflect on things i say and think, mainly because i have been wrong about stuff in the past and corrected. This is what separates me from an arrogant prick, to being just a prick. If i don't correct a few Ascendancy posters, when they march into fields i have knowledge of, they will eventually drown in their own arrogance. |
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The forums do not require heavy footnoting generally but accusations against individuals should be backed up. Arguments on these boards are seldom about facts actually, what people did and didn't do is usually fairly easily and quickly resolved. What people should have done and whether a course of action is a correct one tends to be what forms most argument, and that is thankfully all opinion, though point granted that Asc does make a point of trying to make its opinion seem like it is the correct one to the point of overbearing arrogance on occasions, made all the worse by a chain reaction of a dozen ascendancy posters. |
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This is a hell of a thread, even for Ascendancy Discussions. Responding to multiple points in no particular order. I disagree with lokken that ascendancy were the best alliance in r32. I thought apprime were hyper-efficient and although we certainly held the political initiative for a lot of that round I don't think that's enough to call an alliance "the best". Would we have beaten apprime if we fought them that round? No. Maybe if everyone plays up to their full potential or some shit like that but you can't judge things that way, you can only go off what happened and how people actually played.
In terms of comparing omen r30 to p3nguins in r32 I'd have to say omen were a lot better. The main issue with r30 was more about getting hit early on though. Our average value didn't catch up for ****ing ever. R32 apprime's actual fleet value never dropped below p3nguins or ct. That's what made that round so hard in my opinion. Personally I think it's one of planetarion's better rounds, and one of its toughest round victories alliance wise. I do think it was tougher than apprime's r32 but I might be wrong. I don't think anyone was in a good enough position both rounds to comment, possibly cardi might know enough to call it either way if anyone can get him to answer seriously! For the idea that ascendancy are shit without me I wasn't even there in r34, nor were a lot of the people who made up ascendancy during our winning rounds, and they finished second. So izverg the idea that ascendancy aren't a t10 alliance without me is retarded. Ignoring that one would also like to know how good apprime would be without cardi. I'd imagine it's pretty similar to be honest. To, well hanzi I guess, getting kicked from ascendancy after r31 wasn't an insult or anything to your pa playing abilities. We kicked a fair few people who I thought were excellent players. That direction just wasn't where we wanted to go. I think it's great that pa has almost certainly moved on from ascendancy being the best alliance out there, evolution is good for the game. I'd prefer it if someone, like DLR say, genuinely rose up and seized control of the game but I guess that's relatively unlikely. At the minute the game really feels it's just drifting along with nothing game-changing actually happening. Last round's travesty was as bad as it's gotten for a while, and it was worse for the fact that everyone saw it coming. Like all egotistical maniacs I blame myself though, if I hadn't joined apprime and if the part of ascendancy that felt like being active hadn't followed me maybe the round would have been different. It was literally like we put 90% of the competent value players in pa into one tag though. Actually losing last round would have been virtually impossible for apprime. That's a pretty shit way for a round to be decided. On the actual point this thread is here for lokken's opinions on pa are generally pretty good in my experience. The idea that you can't have an informed political opinion without being some sort of 24/7 active dc is risible at best. As for ascendancy this round I'd like to refer to an old post jester made in round 16 or something like that. We don't need excuses for how we play. We play how we want and we get what rank we deserve. After that, **** you all. PS The direction we wanted to go was towards your mother's house. |
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jesus has spoken
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Also it's Ascendancy Discussion nowadays... |
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Oh and to answer the question in the title: Ofcourse. |
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Lokken is not a moderator anymore (and hasn't been for 4 months now, do keep up).
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No more surprises like this one when i drink my afternoon coffee please. Coughing and laughing is rarely a wanted combination! |
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