Congratulation Black-Flag
Congrats for all the members who put alot of effort in this round,
thanks you clouds for the fail dcing, Gos: for the retarded mails,DG for the shitty targets, and Chronox for failing in general and thanks for our allies CT,Rainbows you guys where awesome Shitty award goes to many aliances they know themselves Now lets vote on banning clouds from eorc |
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no need to ban clouds from eorc, he never participates, not even this time :D
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Unless he tries to get the free credit for most tagged nicks. At those situations he can even make up for the rounds he didn't show up.
Anyway, a 25 mi score gap is a flawless win. Congratulations. |
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Congrats Clouds and Blackflag!
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Deserved winners. Congratulations from ascendancy.
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Congratulations from me.
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Prost!
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Congrats BF
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First round you played without me.
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Congrats bf... Well done on politics at least. No idea if you deserve congratulations on the military side or not as I barely got a chance to attack you guys so test your def :p (I guess stats will show this through number of incs and recalls soon enough) your incs on us were no better than any other alliance ;)
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Well done Black-Flag
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Thank you to most of you for doing the sportsmanship thing and congratulating us on our victory. While some of you don't agree that we deserve it, you are entitled to your opinions of course, but I personally think that we did everything we could to make it an interesting round. It's not like we fenced and won.
Black Flag has always been flamed (mainly by BB) about our fence-sitting strategies, and it is only recently that we played with more ambition. The fundamental reason we why challenged Ultores the past two rounds is because we didn't want this game to be in a constant cycle where Ultores dominates every round. We could've just adopted the fence-sitting attitude like other alliances and played an easy round, it probably would've been less stressful to be honest, but we wanted to make these rounds more interesting, and I think we have. Ultores are naturally a strong alliance. They have their defence strategies spot on and they have dedicated defenders/DCs too. Agar3s especially is a very competent DC and he's probably one of the sole reasons why they have such strong military. Though, Ultores should never be underestimated even when they are put down, because as history has shown us, they can bounce back very easily. p3nguins I'm interested in. They have won two rounds (recent), but each time they challenged Ultores they lost, and now they seem to have supported them ever since. It could be out of fear or respect. It'll be interesting if p3nguins has any plans to play with more ambition again. They certainly have the experience. Anyone that decides to play with more ambition in future rounds will certainly have my respect, because it isn't easy! The members of Black Flag worked hard for this victory and they deserve it. So once again, thank you all for your kind comments! |
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I believe we challenged ult once? Under similar circumstances to what ult saw this time with 3 of top 4 hitting us. They had better naps/agreements in place that round as we had no support from those in the lower teams to join us in a block to hit back. We by no means took the same number of incs but it was early enough to be unrecoverable for us.
The support for ult if you look back has been in existence ever since they threw us a bone and supported p3ng when spore had 5 alliances on us. Ult were there only ones to cease the bashing. That's been 6 round ago now? Either way it's nothing recent. When they get bashed we support the same as they support those who get bashed to. Congratulations on your win. I'm glad you take interest in p3nguins. |
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may as well have fence sat with the block tactics
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theres no skill in finding support to block up vs ult, stop claiming it was some kind of political masterclass
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Ultores were handling themselves well. The only thing that was killing them was they a) had minimal support due to Rogues backing out, and b) they were pumping about 70% of their value into defence. Their incs were "manageable" before Asc joined. It's not like we went to other alliances and organised something overkill against you. It was a fair fight, so I'm not sure what you're moaning about, Esper. You had ND/Rogues in your corner, and p3n as backup, so in all fairness you had the bigger block. My comments and respect of Ultores still stands, even if Esper can't be man enough and accept a defeat this round. |
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Look how easy it is to denigrate an alliance's achievements! |
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You cant say 3v1 isnt a block. Regardless. Well played and congrats. |
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You (and Ultores in general) have a tendency to act like the things that you're good at (defense, resilience, coming back from behind) are the right things to be good at, and that you somehow deserve the win because of them (because if not BF, then who?), whereas politics is the wrong thing to be good at, somehow less worthy of praise, or even shameful. To which I respond: it's all in the game, yo. |
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having won so many rounds it is a lot easier for ult to find enemies than friends
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we usually have at least 2 enemies before ticks start
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Still, if we're sticking to only current alliances then both ND and CT have won "many rounds". You do realise that when multiple alliances want to win, they have to consider Ultores an enemy as it's one of the hurdles to getting #1? I can't believe you even thought this comment was worthy enough to make - it's like you're moaning that people actually put up a fight. As if "how dare other alliances want to win". |
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Second-most, actually, assuming you're referring to round 61, though the top 4 were all within 500 incs of each other that round.
Here's some more data for the last 10 rounds that Ultores played, including once as Ultprime, once as FURGEON, but ignoring Apprime. Ultores won 2 of those 10 rounds (61, 60). Ultores had significantly more incs than other alliances 4 times (62, 57, 52, 49), and significantly less 3 times (60 (won), 58, 56). The other 3 rounds (61, 59, 55, 50) they were about average, compared to the rest of the top 4-5 those rounds. The average number of incs for non-Ultores top 5 alliances was 3043 per round. The average number of incs for Ultores was 3691. |
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Not that it actually matters i guess! |
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If the last alliance standing to face down the eventual winners is an alliance that sends about 20% less fleets than the rest of the top 4, and they lose with a week to spare, you are well beaten whatever happened.
For all thats been discussed in this thread I think black flags politics were a lot dirtier than many would believe. Their nap with ult inadvertently got everyone outside the top 3 hitting each other early on, massively to their benefit (think how the reverse of that is perceived) and they pretty much sat on their hands and left conspiracy (supposed ally) to die when we hit them as it suited their goals. |
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We did most certainly NOT have the bigger block. From pt400'ish till pt750'ish we fought 3 t5 alliances with only the help of the r10 alliance. So don't you claim we had the bigger block just because p3ng offered to help us, they had an ingame nap with bf all that time aswell. The round was fair untill asc joined bf/ct and ult had to withstand incs from all t3 alliances + the r5 alliance. So for the first 750 ticks, the round was fair. BF/CT/bows had knocked us from #1 till #3 by themself by then, and still found more help for the job. For the record, you made the winning plays by outblocking us, don't try to claim otherwise. It's still a win, and congrats on that. |
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You're presuming that no-one else is capable of defending. You (& Ultores in general) have a very high and biased opinion of yourself. While you have earned this right, it clouds your judgement of other alliances. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you precieve Black Flag for example as adequate defenders and that we are no match against Ultores from a military point of view. While I'm in no position to compare Black Flag to Ultores (I'm the first to admit that Ultores is the more superior alliance), I will say this; don't under-estimate our military abilities. Last round is a good example, Ultores+Faceless were struggling to land on BF. I specifically remember Zwanstic asking for a ceasefire for this reason. It wasn't until later that you gathered more support. Quote:
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I said it before and I will say it again, Ultores won. We always win. PS: wonder why all those planets that escorted you guys around tick 400 got closed :( |
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They must be talking about themselves, when referring to support planets.
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We had around 10-12 small xan fi planets (100% phantoms and pods) attacking us on BF fi waves. Strangely enough, these planets always ended up recalling when the wave was through ally/galdef. I reported these planets, and they did end up getting closed shortly after :rolleyes: And since your tag didn't seem to suffer any planet losses, one can only assume these planets were not in any tag. |
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We best let purple troll put a mirror to his face. Hardly any of Ultores Xans had even any pods and never attacked.
They must of got lost in the pigeon post. Oh yes, the IRONY of it is fantastic to see. |
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Second round in a row. Coincidence? I think not. |
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I don't think I said anything negative about Ultores, I was merely discussing the round from my personal point of view. Stop being a sore loser. Yes we all know that Ultores is the best bla bla. Nice propaganda attempt by the way. |
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Does being in a tag mean that you have to attack on a regular basis? Or are sitting in a tag doing scans only or sending def only viable options too? |
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How did they always manage to piggy your fi waves (never your co waves) and then recall once the wave was clear of ally/galdef? |
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The Ultore Xan support planets didn't attack at all. That's termed as a repeated action under the rules.
Support Accounts are accounts which are dedicated to undertaking specific and repeated actions which result in an unfair benefit for a planet/organisation, where an organisation is defined as an alliance or galaxy. Now scanners are exempt from this. Now just because the pa team can't be bothered as this would lose more of the player base, doesn't mean its no more wrong. |
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What about people 3 fleet attacking every night, should they be closed too? |
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Arguing on the internet like a baus! :rolleyes:
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Does a planet belonging to a tag have to send 2 attacks 1 def every night? Why not 3 def or 3 attacks? ND have had planets sending def only for many many rounds, so if this was such a big deal. why hasn't people mentioned it before? |
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this is very sad for PA image.
point out other one to justify your own fault. whats done is done, since r1 there are cheaters around. same for politics, economy, etc. only thing i cant agree is, defwhore can never ever be punised by defending only. its just idiot do it. u need entire team to win, scanners, defenders, attackers, its like a soccer team. looks like pa team think the same |
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Its just a crying shame Ultores have to resort to fictitious fabrications to justify their own actions. |
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