40 Days of Indefatigable Copying and Pasting
For the next 40 days I will be presenting some reasons why I believe in Jesus. Each day I will make one additional post. Enjoy :)
Today I’d like to start at the beginning with the basics: There is a God. The law of physics that states “for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction” depicts the operational manner of our universe. Therefore, it is impossible that anything should be both mover and the thing moved, or that it should be able to move itself. Everything, consequently, is moved by something else. Therefore, it is necessary to go back to some first mover, which is itself moved by nothing---and this, I submit to you, is God. |
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actually, that statement disproves your conclusion.
alternatively, it could be possible that our universe is some type of supercircle, with the one thing moving the next the next all the way around, simply looping. not that i think that is the case, but it fulfills the criteria you lay out, where your hypothesis fails. |
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Travler, since you're a believer I thought about asking you that if god created the mankind then why the **** there's a G-point in men's anus and bibble protests against gays. Just to make pooing feel better? :(
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Travlr, here's your problem:
Very few people here care to hear what you have to say. You've already demonstrated an inability to respond to arguments. You do not talk with anyone, you simply talk at people, and listen to nothing we have to say. I think we've all accepted that you just don't understand anything anyone else is saying. Nobody wants to talk with people who do not listen to them. Here's another problem: You already know you are right. This is probably related to the first problem. You're not open to the possibility that you may be wrong. Another one: Your motive. It's really despicable. Nobody here is looking to be converted, nobody here gives you any credibility (at least that I know of). Thank you for trying to save us, I'm sure you've scored some bonus points with the Jesus. It's duly noted somewhere in his big naughty and nice list. Finally: You're as shallow and pointless as any human I have ever met. You string words together in a sentence the way a 5 year old places shiny plastic beads on a makeshift neclace during a kindergarden art session. You post quotes you yourself don't understand. You are dogmatic. You are an attention whore, a troll, and an evangalist. A trifecta responsible for the worst of posters online. You relish in the negative attention, you're a martyr for your own twisted cause, and you pride yourself on all the abuse we heap on you. |
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Whew. Travler, this could be interesting.
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There isn't a God.
The law of physics that states “for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction” depicts the operational manner of our universe. Therefore, it is possible that anything could be both mover and the thing moved, or that it could be able to move itself. Everything, consequently, is moved by something. Therefore, it is not necessary to go back to some first mover, which is itself moved by something---and this, I submit to you, is because of physics. DAY 1 BABY AND YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN OWNED! |
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My great fear is that, as promised, this travesty will continue for 40 days...
I swear that even Jesus would denounce God at the mere sight of this thread by then. |
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I'm sure we're all going to believe in Jesus when Travler has made his 40 very informative and interesting posts.
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And this, I submit to you, is the Big Bang. And this, I submit to you, is Purple Space Elephants. And this, I submit to you, is anything you want to believe. "God" obviously does not follow from "First Cause". Even Aquinas realised this. Secondly the argument does not show that there is precisely one first cause, it only shows that there is at least one first cause. More gods? Are you prepared to accept Polytheism might be true? 1) Every event in the natural world traces back to an event that occurs outside nature. 2) There is a single event outside of the natural world to which each event traces back. The argument only 'proves' (1), it does not prove (2). You really ought to give up this pointless excercise. You won't convert anyone on this forum. Take your nonsense ministry elsewhere. |
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who moved god?
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He was moved to tears by Bambi, if that counts.
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"To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God" -Acts 1:3
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We should ban Travler under the advertising clause
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Ban.
User. Please. |
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Travler, if you're not going to respond to other posts in this thread I'm going to delete this as it's the sort of shit we banned Texan over (actually he might not have been banned, he might just have been on a final warning or something). This is a discussion forum, not a well-placed pulpit.
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I would support deleting this thread; I'd rather hear 5 good arguments than 40 bad ones, and if Travler isnt going to bother engaging in debate then the whole enterprise is pointless. If I wanted to read an endless list of arguments for God's existence then I could just google for philosophy of religion 101.
However you should bear in mind I'm part of the IRC anti-christian conspiracy which is actively victimising Travler for his religious beliefs rather than for his terrible posts. |
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Yay, rejoice in the fact the deer was punished by our lord, for she hath not been to confession her whole life, even though a church hath resideth downeth only yon street from her house. Eth. Lazy bitch! |
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I don't see why people can't just let him submit his 40 reasons.
What, so you don't believe in God? So what - he evidently does. He isn't trying to force you to believe in God either, he's just giving reasons for his belief. I'm curious to see what these 40 reasons for believing in God are, actually. Stop being stubborn jerks and let him post. I'd like to see him respond to a few of the above posts though (mainly s|k's). |
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he is a proselytizing idiot and/or a troll. If he believes the nonsense he is posting, I frankly don't give a shit: he isn't defending it against legitimate criticism and as such this is to all intents and purposes spam.
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Perhaps if people played devils advocate (hoho) on some of his points we could have an interesting discussion in any case.
I've never been to a lecture where the lecturer has been shouted down by most of the students :( |
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Well it seems a good meeting to try your roller skates.
With noone being there etc. |
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"Stop posting, I want to see him respond to posts"? If he actually replied to people, there wouldn't be a problem. But he doesn't. |
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In all honesty, I think we should delete any thread about the validity of religion or whether there is a god etc, as quite frankly they near always end up descending into absolutely terrible, terrible threads, with or without travler. What people believe or don't believe in this regard is up to them and in all honesty leads to an almost pointless discussion. As JBG says it leads to something akin to lecturing rather than discussion and thus it shouldn't be present here.
travler obviously has his own reasons for being a christian, they're his own and I don't actually care what they are or why and i don't want to read them. I don't want to persuade him otherwise or like to see him ridiculed nor do I want to do it with other users regarding atheism as in all honesty, the thread will almost certainly be shit. There's a strong qualitative argument for following my proposal and I hope the mods on here take note. |
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When people get uppity about the number, or mere presence, of football threads, do you argue with them because, obviously from their point of view, removing the football threads will improve the forum? The entire point of the forum is to discuss things, if we have to have discussions only where everyone enjoys or understands them we'd never get very far. Quote:
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OK, i'll put it in simple terms for you as you want to pedant your way to some kind of success.
These kinds of threads are shit from pretty much reply 1 downwards, I don't enjoy reading them and I doubt there are many others who do either. These threads have always been crap, are crap and always will be crap. Trolling is more or less guaranteed and I think you can't get worse than threads like these. |
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Once again, you're being wonderfully appropriate for the thread, as you have chosen to ignore all the points I have made; are you obliquely commenting upon the problems that Travler has when constructing such a thread? Well done sir! |
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No, I'm just fed up of seeing shit threads like this. So bad we should just get rid and quit the fannying about that inevitably results.
It's not hard to understand. |
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Having said that, on GD the moderator's job certainly appears to be to not post for months. |
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I have to agree with MrL here, for probably the first time. If these kind of threads really do annoy people then the best way to kill them is to ignore them.
Censorship should be an undesirable last step in any discussion arena. |
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It's a pretty much repetitive and near masturbatative activity of "lol i did a religious nut today lol" proportions, fundamentally shit and in fact is pretty much inviting travler to troll you all back in pretty stunning fashion. I see a point that if a topic just results in constant breaking of the rules, **** any kind of principles and put a stop to it because here I believe it's an issue where large numbers of GD users can't help but make threads like these really really poor. While perhaps I can understand that a rule might be too drastic, the mods at least be more strict with a thread like this the very minute rule breaking starts as they descend into despair pretty pretty quickly, far faster than others. |
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I don't think many people have come into this thread expecting the latter, so it's not like you're revealing some mystical truth. Quote:
Further to this, the same argument can be applied to many, many other threads on these forums. If your intent is to drive people away, then your plan is a fine one. |
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Not at all - it's just that there seems to be a belief that only one person is to blame, when actually it appears to be from both sides as someone who isn't involved in this discussion. Rather than ban and punish a whole stack of users and run them out of town, we should stop the trouble before it starts.
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You know he's loving all of this attention. Just eating it up. Oh, and was it already established with certaintity that he's in fact not a gimmick?
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If the next post is just proof #2 without any response to anything posted above, close the thread. It'd prevent us having to endure another 38 'proofs' and gives him a chance to prove he's not a one-track intellectual tape recording. Simple!
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I do not expect he'll be responding to any sort of degree. I expect he will just go on with post #2. In his initial post he did not mention discussing it beyond the one post.
I think he was sent these 40 items in an email or something :| |
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I for one agree with Lokken and Jonny.
I would be appalled if Travler was allowed to carry out this campaign. |
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This is the effect of the illusion of monotheism, the fiction of religious unity. To answer your question I object to the campaign. I would object if it were to be "40 reasons why shoes are good" or anything else. He doesn't engage in debate. He doesn't reply to posts. We have had lots of posters before who have done this and we have banned them all. I would hate to see Travler get away with it purely because he lies and claims that he is disliked because of his christianity. The flaws are his own. |
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well, here is how i see it.
IF Travler is indeed strong in his conviction he will start posting here fighting for what he so deeply believes in. I dont think someone's faith could be chipped by some e-punks who think they know better. If he does indeed truly believes in what he posts, he should say somehting, imo. IF he just started this as an attwhore, he will surely be scared to post as you , seeming how nice of a gang you are, will rip him a new e-hole with our posts. So much agression over just a few lines of theological text... Besides prooving the point that religion sparks violence, so far nothing has been prooven and, tbh, i am making this useless post to shorten time untill Travler posts. And i hope he will. I hope this thread will turn from shit it is right now into a good well based debate (as much as it can possibly done, considering the topic of this conversation) I had some fun talks with people about theology, facts and fictions of faiths across the world and its far from boring conversation. But i guess some people are ready to jump the gun as soon as someone says word "god"... Lets see it through, to form our oppinion fully before bashing poor Travler into the ground. Given huge possibility of simple trolling, its either going to be an interesting post, or just some other shit that you cannot stop frowning while reading. ================================= P.S.: and i do want to know all 40 reasons to have my point of view formed. So... Travler... dont let those scumbags scare you with their cynicism. I am looking forward to argue your points. :salute: |
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