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It looks like Prince Harry is going to Iraq. Whilst I really couldn't care less if he dies or not, some people do. Being third in line to the throne he may become an obvious target for attack. After hearing on the radio that they are anticipating this might happen and that he will be given extra security the question arose in my mind, is his presence there actually going to do any good for the British army?
they do not have the necessary resources already so why waste them on one person? |
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If anything it adds an extra incentive to the insurgents. But if he dies we'll have to put up with a horrible new wave of British nationalism so i hope he gets dishonourably discharged and we can maybe change our appalling political system on the back of it.
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Got to say .. he was told he didnt have to go and basically asked to go because he felt it was unfair for the people he trained with to go and him not. Thats fair ... he doesnt like the idea that he get preferential treatment, they could go to iraq and die, while he sits home and is safe, i'm sure that they have pointed out that the people hes going with will be in slightly more danger since hes there. BUT: the poor guys damned if he does and damned if he doesnt in the eyes of the press, if he didnt go, then he'd be branded a coward by the trash papers and will branded a hero but putting others lives in danger if he does. basically hes screwed either way by the tabloid press. Hes a soldier, he follows orders, if the army really didnt want him to go and ordered him to another place then thats where he would go. So give the army some portion of the blame on this issue . |
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I give British society all of the blame for allowing such a monstrocity as the Royal Family to exist in the day and age.
/me awaits nuclear level neg rep from Furball. ;) |
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regardless of your personal opinion it actually does matter to the army who are quite fiercly loyal to the monarchy.
One of the benefits of a politically neutral head of state is that those asked to die for their country are given the solace of a permanent regime to be loyal to. |
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i heard unquestioned loyalty and patriotism are good things and not brainwashing in the slightest
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In a society like the one we have where the sons and daughters of the rich live a privileged life, and the sons and daughters of the poor and middle class are the ones who populate a volunteer armed forces, it is refreshing to see a person of his stature step up and go to the forefront of the war.
Yes, his presence there is going to add fuel to an already roaring fire, but its not like our people fighting in Iraq are going daily with nobody attacking them and they don't have anything to worry about already. Terrorists may try a bit harder to kill him, but its not like they weren't trying already to kill our people. If he dies, it will be a shame, but no more of a shame than anyone else that has volunteered and gone over there and died doing the same thing. |
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sod sending all the royals, ship blair off there.
He helped create that mess - he can damn well suffer the consequences of it |
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Propaganda-wise this is unlikely to matter much to people in Iraq - even if the British monarch is a religious figure I'm not sure that's fully appreciated abroad. Now, if the Pope was sent over there to do some killin' then there might be some action, but some random toff? Pffft. In Britain it's likely this will reduce support for the monarchy among Muslims generally, but I doubt that was at sky high levels to begin with. p.s. It goes without saying but I won't shed any tears should he die (extraordinarily unlikely to happen though). |
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Seeing as injured british soilders have been abused in hospital i doubt anyone will cheer from the rooftops over this. I think theres a strong chance the iraqi resistance will make a great deal about this - and so they should.
Id laugh my bollocks off if the ginger **** dies. |
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Most of the male members of the royal family have been involved in the armed forces at some point. At least they, unlike all the members of the government, know what many of the people who have family members in the armed forces are going through. I think it shows that he and the rest of the family have far more guts than the government, who created the mess in the first place.
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never underestimate rag tag mobs of civilians - the americans did in vietnam and look what happened ;P |
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I think more than likely they'd try to capture him alive as opposed to just downright killing him. Then at least they could have some fun with it on TV for a few days or weeks, before killing him live on air so that everyone can see it. |
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[sarcasm] I'm pleased Harry got his request to serve in Iraq approved. Now he can put the lives of everyone in his unit at risk which sounds 100% fair. Should opposition forces find his locaton, his unit will get a battering as they try to get the scalp of a Royal. Not to mention the additional security his unit will need to undertake, wasting millions of taxpayers' money in background checks. Good thinking! [/sarcasm]
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I hope Yahwe isn't implying that just because they're British or American they're so much better than Iraqi people, for the reasons T&F gave above
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They dont seem to value a human life so why should anyone value theirs |
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Support your troops!
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It may well be that because you can no longer see the immediate fear of saxon raiders burning down your home or german zeplins bombing london that you can not quite grasp the concept. HOWEVER it seems to me in pretty poor taste, and a distinct lack of empathy, to push your argument to the point of "members of the armed forces deserve their deaths". As i have said I see no difference in the tragedy involved in the deaths of civilians or deaths in the military. I am suggesting that all deaths are a tragedy and I think you run the risk of cheapening yourself if you persist in your callous view of dead soldiers. |
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Armies only 'protect' you from other armies. I'm much happier walking over to the weak citizens on the other side and sitting on the embankment as our protectors kill each other. Besides its incredibly patronising to say they're protecting the weak, what are we doing? supporting the troglodytes?
I'm having difficulty understanding your apparent pacifism and respect for people who kill. |
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Look, while I am against killing and armed forces in general, I think it is unfair to lay any blame on the soldiers themselves. At the end of the day they are only following orders and doing their job (which just happens to entail killing people... strange world eh?). I think blame has to lie with those in command not the grunts who just say 'yes Sir!' and pull the trigger.
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You might want to try constructing some sort of argument and/or having a coherent point. |
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I was about to say the same, your 'all death is tragic' pov sits oddly with your admiration of those who kill for a living.
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So, do you think killing an insurgent who was going to strap a bomb to himself the next day and go down to a local populated area to kill of as many as he can is unjustified?
So he dies a day early, but you potentially saved 20-100 other people from dying. |
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I have no need to admire anyone who deals death to argue that death is tragic. I do not think that you can seriously argue that members of the armed forces 'kill for a living' without being incredibly trite. It is difficult to see how I am 'admiring' anybody. However my point with you was that your own post made no sense: "armies only protect you from other armies" - what on earth was the point of saying this? How do you imagine it has any relevance as a statement? "I'm much happier walking over to the weak citizens on the other side and sitting on the embankment as our protectors kill each other" - Again is this not rather silly? "Besides its incredibly patronising to say they're protecting the weak, what are we doing?" - a 'them and us' scenario? How can you even justify such a mentality? You appear to be as detached from the realities of mortal life as an olympian god. (in which case why are your parties no where near as fun?) |
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If it doesn't have any relevance maybe you should ignore it. The army isn't protecting me from dragons and aliens its protecting me from other armies, it (and you) consider me weak and at threat. Quote:
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My realities and the realities of mortal life at this very instance are that the army is fighting an illegal war in a distant land. And i'm firmly on the side of the people in the distant land. |
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Edit: What does that have to do with my question...my question was do you think it's justifiable to kill an insurgent who was going to be a suicide bomber. |
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(nutter) edit: am i seriously supposed to reply to what milo has posted? or am i supposed to educate him? frankly my choice would be to hug him and to ask him questions until he realised the nature of light, dark and shadow |
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alright alright so i feel a bit guilty.
maybe i ought to spend some time on milo. but let us reserve our frowns for a moment. Quote:
have respect for them? well i have and hold respect for every human so that bit at least is simple. I do not accept the proposition that the sole reason for an army to exist is to kill. hence words such as 'job' and 'designed' seem rather crude and ghastly to me. 'earn their livings by killing' now i do genuinely think that is a silly thing to say 'the army isn't protecting me' and the other stuff milo has posted. seems a bit silly to me. as if one can 'opt out'. it does seem to me that milo is acting as a spoilt child. spoilt by peace. devoid of the reality of human life. 10,000 years of war and death and injustice and he believes that his life of indulgent peace allows him to sneer at others. well i fail to see how that can be right. "if i feel threatened i fight back myself" do i really need to say how awful such a statement is???? |
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I have nothing but respect for the American (and British) armed forces. Killing is in no way their 'job', they are merely trained to defend themselves.
Anyone who talks down armed forces should really shut there mouth unless they've been in said armed forces and have the right to bitch about it. I have never done so, and therefore I would not dream to put them down. This is regardless of whether or not I agree with them being where they're at, they all knew when they singed up there was the probability of going to war, and since there's no current draft in the US, they did all volunteer. Many of them after the war started. They didn't join to go out and kill people, or because they wanted the chance, they did it because they felt it there duty to do so, and if you call that blind patriotism, then so be it, but it was there choice. |
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Also if you're absolutely passionate and firmly siding with the "people in the distant land", maybe you should just get the f*ck out of your country and swim to that "distant land". I would love to hear what tune you'd be singing then. |
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you are a twat. |
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stop being an utter spastic. |
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