Internet Grammar.
 

I'm hardly the worlds leading grammar expert, I know.
But, am I the only one who gets wound up by this level of deviance?

Reminds me of this.

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Get an older girlfriend.

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fo' shizzle

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I blame hip-hop.

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it makes me want to rip my own arm off and beat the typist to death

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Would the person typing happen to be a 14 year old youth?

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yeah

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Although I completely agree with your sentiment, typing every damn post without capitals and points is almost (well still far off..) in the same league of annoyance as writing like a complete retard like shown in the original post.

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to be honest capitalization is nowhere near as fundamental as 'I LUV U 4-EVAH!' errors

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But slagging off someones typing with a sentence that includes no capitalisation is all very "pot-kettle-black".

The rules are there for a reason people!

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Noght fer fro thilke paleys honurable
Ther as this markys shoop his mariage,
Ther stood a throop, of site delitable,
200 In which that povre folk of that village
Hadden hir beestes and hir herbergage,
And of hir lobour tooke hir sustenance,
After that the erthe yaf hem habundance.

Amonges thise povre folk ther dwelte a man
205 Which that was holden povrest of hem alle;
But hye God somtyme senden kan
His grace into a litel oxes stalle
Janicula men of that throop hym calle.
A doghter hadde he, fair ynogh to sighte,
210 And Grisildis this yonge mayden highte.

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Typing without capitals or punctuation is laziness. The quote in the OP was near-incomprehensible nonsense that didn't actually use real words.

There's a world of difference there.

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The offender is a 19 year old male.
He's studying Spanish, so you would've thought he'd take the time out to master his native language first.

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ditto. Typing without capitalization is just laziness; this is sheer idiocy.

edit: Almost as annoying as the original quote are you're/your, they're/their and to/too errors, and mistakes such as "I could of done" and "you are a looser".

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Fo'real hommies

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It is of less importance in text made up of smaller structures, such as IRC lines or forum replies of one sentence. As soon as you start writing more than one sentence (or for that matter, a very long and complicated sentence), capitalization and punctuation become an absolute necessity.

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typing without capitals or correct punctuation can render any paragraph with correct spelling and use of actual english words incomprehensible as can be clearly demonstrated i mean its an easy thing to see that once you get into it the effect can be quite annoying whike you can acutally figure out what is being said and generally where sentences actually start finish and where breaks should be its takes as much effort to read and put together as does reading that abbreviated crap that was posted already you can generally work out whats going on but it requires too much thought capitals and punctuation make things a hell of alot easier to read overall so the excuse of lazyness is no excuse at all if you deride the guy for not typing correctly then you have to deride people for not bothering to capitalise and punctuate their typing

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You bitter old man you!
Always blame the youngsters.
:down:

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the lack of capitalisation comes from our typing experience. ms word does it for us thus we have grown reliant upon such assistance.

I confess. i hardly ever capitalise.

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I blame idiocy.

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Burn in hell.


I use Word every day in work,8 hours a day and I don't forget to capitalise. You're just looking for excuses.

There are none!

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i wasn't talking about blocks of text. in a block of text, it's on a par. in one sentence, or a few sentences separated by line breaks, it's nothing.

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i was explaining the sinful laziness of myself and others.

i did not seek to cast scorn on the virtue of capitalisers such as yourself

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See that you don't. Or else. Or else what? Well the 'International League of Pedants' will get you, that's what!

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Adding that little qualification then your statement seems reasonable enough. But you didn't say that before.

And I notice you used punctuation in your little sentence too. At least that's something.



By the way, in case people are wondering why I seemingly have such a problem with this (and I'm only half serious), it's because I'm forced to sit here every day and read other peoples emails asking for technical support.

This means dealing with people who just cannot type the English language correctly. Or who don't bother to use capitalisations or punctuation. Or who type ALL IN CAPS BECAUSE THIS ISNT ANNOYING AT ALL. etc.

If anything this job has made me loathe these people.

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Poor use of comma.

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The best rule is to manually capitalise proper nouns but not the beginning of sentences. You can always capitalise the first letter in a sentence automatically and thus capitalising just because your computer doesn't do it for you is destroying the distinction between words that would otherwise be distinct. It's personal preference whether to capitalise "I", computers should render it capitalised for you. If they don't it's the computer's fault.

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You need to bear in mind that the internet, along with SMS, has created a new paradigm for written communication. The advent of realtime (or almost realtime) messaging has caused writing speed to become very important to the average person in day-to-day life, for perhaps the first time in human history. It is naive not to expect major changes in the language as a result of this, especially in a language such as English which is full of idiosyncratic spellings, and redundant letters (objectively speaking, 'u' and 'r' make a lot more sense than 'you' and 'are'). While the rapidity of this change does sometimes cause people's writing to become almost incomprehensible (although in this case I doubt it IS incomprehensible - I would imagine that someone who is used to reading that dialect daily, ie those that actually use it, would have no problem with it. Most Americans would have trouble understanding Glaswegian dialect for the same reasons), these kind of changes are probably going to become more and more widespread within the next 20 years whether you like it or not. Punctuation on the other hand almost certainly wont die out, since unlike longwinded spellings and arbitrary grammatical rules, it is fairly essential for understanding longer pieces of text.


Three everpresent issues relating to languages are that 1) languages will always evolve, 2) different cultural groups will create their own dialect of the main language, and 3) a lot of people, particularly those in the older generation, will be unhappy when the above things occur, feelingl that the language is being 'ruined'.

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Nod just wrote quite a long paragraph pointing out the obvious :(

I'm just waiting for us to start accepting "doubleplus good" as the norm...

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I'm going to set up a group to further the cause of grammar nazis everywhere, I think I'll call it "People for the Regulation of Internet Grammar and Spelling" (or PRIGS, as it will be known).

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just try and correct me all the time then you will get your wound up shizzle fs

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Let me know where I can sign up.

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I have several friends, who, despite being reasonably well spoken, and nowhere near as common as me, in the real world, type like utter ****ing morons when presented with a keyboard.

It is especially worrying as often they are involved in sending work related emails to the regional manager, who is probably presented with such wonders as 'da figerz for 2day' and 'luking 4 cover'

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That's pretty inexcusable tbh.

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It is merely a difference of connections; for many people, the "modern" communications systems (mobile telephone, internet) are of the same brush, because, to the untrained eye, they share so many similarities. Many people would not bad an eyelid at a badly written text message, and, therefore, it is assumed that it must be true for email. I doubt they would ever consider writing a letter in that idiom, but then a letter is something physical, something distinct.

They must be educated, with fire by candlelight.

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it's astonishing how the interweb can turn the most reasonable person into a complete retard.

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y'all mother****in' bizzles be in mah shizzles nigga for reals and shit.. y'all bettah be off mah mother****in' back y'all shits, youknowMsayng? biznitch??

anyway, i never capitalize on any internet forums, sms messages, irc, most emails, etc. because of the informality of it all - although i follow strict grammar rules on formal emails, letters, and instructions because they are worthy of hitting that extra shift key just to attain professionalism

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Capitalisation is an imporant part of my identity. If my grammar wasn't exemplary I'd feel like I was letting down the wider forum community.

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It's a shame about the spelling though.

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I generally spell and use grammar correctly, although it's not something I particularly think about. It happens automatically. In my opinion people that type like shits are often harder to take seriously, even if their point is valid.

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quoted for absolute truth

i tend not to capitalise anymore, it's not that important, although i do use punctuation, as i like my sentences to make sense :) (roughly anyway)

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If you knew the difference between the indicative and past subjunctive moods, then you wouldn't be letting down the wider forum community ;) *









* Ending such a persnickety grammar nazi post with a smiley is probably immoral, I fully expect to burn in Hell as a result.

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My posts almost never make sense since I frequently miss words out (or put them in the wrong order) due to the way I write. Even when I re-read my posts I'm oblivious to these types of mistakes unless a certain amount of time has passed. At work if I'm writing an important e-mail or letter I tend to draft it in the morning and then re-read it in the afternoon (otherwise my mind seems to fill in the blanks subconsciously).

I like to use capitalisation however, not because I am interested in whether it makes things easier to understand, but it just looks nicer. Similarly, I avoid some abbreviations for aesthetic reasons :
"wot r u doing 2nite?" is just as easy to understand as "What are you doing tonight?" but the latter looks more beautiful to me.

In the context of this forum, I personally get a great deal of pleasure out of reading "beautiful" posts. People like Jonny, Tact, Leshy, Jakiri and Manson, etc write in this form more often than others and so I enjoy their posts more (irrespective of whether I agree with or like what they are saying).

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More than that, people who use copious amouts of smilies usually render a valid post impossible to :D take :confused: seriously :( :( :(

See?

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:confused: A copious amount of smilies doesn't really break :banana: the flow if used correctly; perhaps if you hadn't put random :xmas: smilies in the middle of unrelated :devil: sentences you would have better luck :rolleyes:

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My posts are beautiful like pink snow, on a warm summer's morning.

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The mistake was deliberate.


Humour on the internet is a difficult thing :(



What are you, gay?




YES THAT WAS ALSO DELIBERATE DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I HAVE TO EXPLAIN MY JOKES YOU USELESS PACK OF NO-HOPERS.

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I laugh at JBG's posts to ensure success in life - fact

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There are many posts that make me laugh, but I would have to agree that Jonny's posts tend to do it more often than others. However, Dante's post in this thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside :bunny:

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The subjunctive is dead and buried in the English language. We express possibilities and such in other mostly non-verbal ways. There's really little point in using it. Even in French it's being used less and less, and french is a subjunctive crazy language, and god knows the subjunctive makes the french language even crazier.