Imperia and their mum
 

Just came in from Imp HQ:

Greetings from Imp.

This round started as expected, App, Asc and Imp in the top 3.

After 2 weeks...App got a small lead, and we in Imp. started to look for options to keep App. down.
Imp. have been at war vs Ct since tick 1...and whit that we hitted ct galaxy...whit anyone in it.
Some mistakes were done...but overall...we did realy well. But App kept the lead by attacking heavy on Asc.
Imp. saw that we had to do something to change the balance in the game...so in a way that App. had to rethink their strategy.
With a few options...the logical one was to nap Asc. And with that we where set to start working together to stop App from getting a too big lead.

Then the unexpected happend...CT made a nap with ND....and then the balance shifted again....App/ND/CT vs Imp/asc....and that forced us in Imp. to make a move..
We grounded our fleets for 2 days...to get a grip on the poitics that were going around us. And after talking to CT and ND...it seem'ed that they was not going to change their status vs Imp.

Question was now....what do we do now. We talked talked to ND and CT about it...and the came to the conclusion the only option was to talk to App. about other options.
After the talk to App. we came to a understanding that App will not hit us...if we want to focus our war vs ct and nd, but we needed to end our nap with Asc.
-We said yes to that.


So we request you to end the nap...and you can decide what time/date for it..since we want to keep the good relation we have had these last days.
But it have to end within the next 3 days.


Yours
HC's of Imperia

Seriously Buddah, grow a pair.

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Honestly, I don't even understand most of what they're saying. :(

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says someone from asc who did nothing towards apprime when imperia took all of the incs from apprime.

Seriously Asc, grow a pair.

If you really expected that Imperia would just keep on taking apprime incs while Asc chased after low ranking alliances you are obviously ignorent.

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Wait, that was a legitimate message??

I thought it was classic Stoom pisstaking :(

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You're an ignorant moron.

I shall compose a message of my own, to Imperia.

Greetings from Asc.

You are all idiots and fail at life.
For this the nap shall end tonight and it shall be war.

Yours
THESTOOM, CEO OF ASCENDANCY

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You cannot be serious. Imp has had 1 day of Apprime incs, Asc has had more like 14... oh holy shit that we decide to hit another alliance than Apprime on the weekend when our activity is terrible anyway.

No-one wants to attack apprime except for us. Fact.

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Really, Apprime have hit us at least ten times the amount they have hit Imperia. Your reason for wanting to NAP Apprime is pure cowardice, and saying that were the ones going for lower ranked alliances when you've been at war with CT since tick24 is ridiculous. Then there's the fact you've supposedly been hitting CT's flak allys whoever the **** they are. But what should we expect when we have cardi's puppet pulling the strings in Imperia.

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So Imperia claim they were in contention, yet in their infinite wisdom went to war with CT who have nothing to do with finishing #1. I'm banging my head against a brick wall here :(

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technically CT went to war with Imperia

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imperia were first to target us with 50 fleets at the start of the round, we just galraided them after that.

Poaching alliances are hostile from PT 1 <-- doesnt say war

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Well, it doesn't take a nuclear scientist to realize that 17k more roids than Apprime and 20k more than Ascendancy. Also, it doesn't take a nuclear scientist to realize that Imperia will come under heavy incs now, not just from Ascendancy/Conspiracy, but from Apprime and ND also.

It's only in the laws of nature to pick on the most rich target. :]

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Wait. Is the OP in this thread an actual post written by Imperia? I so that's pretty fantastic.

Also, it never seizes to amaze me how stupid and ignorant people running alliances in this game can be. How Imperia members can claim that they have had anything close to the amount of incs from App that Asc has, and how they cannot see that what is going to happen in about 1 week is them being raped by Apprime is beyond me.

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eh? what? dont tell me all the people agitating for war with imp were reading the alliance points not the roids: Imperia have 6k more roids than asc but in turn App have 9k more than Imp.
Alliance points should be changed to a different order of numbers, as I keep having to double take.

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I was already ashamed of ND choice to stagnate, but this one wins for sure. Jesus christ what a wuss alliance.

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I think you need to hire a nuclear scientist to do the math for you.

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Who's winning? :|

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Yeah, I was mistaking alliance points for roids. Still, the point remains and given that the round is only at it's half, we have plenty of time to see who's right or wrong.

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What? No, it doesn't. Your point rested on the single fact that they're fat. Since that's not actually the case, your point is invalid.

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Wow, the levels of faggotry in Imperia HC are beyond belief....

I thought that after the utter stagnating shitness of last round (hi kenny <3), people would have learned to play the round differently. Imperia members should be ashamed of these people they call HC.

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They are the fatest alliance out there besides Apprime. :)

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Why do you exclude Apprime from your fattest alliances rankings? Apprime obviously can't hit themselves, but that doesn't go for the other 3 alliances you mentioned.

Regardless, though, we didn't and don't use Imperia's fatness index as motivation, at least not primary motivation.

First of all, it's not fatness but mutual animosity that sparked the war between CT and ND on the one side and Imperia on the other.

Secondly, it should be pretty well known by now that Ascendancy wants to target Apprime. Two reasons: they're first and they're putting pressure on us. The only reason we're now changing our minds is that Imperia is displaying an astounding lack of political prowess (see also: war against CT), screwing us over in the process. Again, fatness doesn't come into it.

Lastly, Apprime know that Imperia is no threat to them either now or in the foreseeable future. Imperia's insistence on having a war with the #4 and #5 alliance effectively takes them out of the competition for #1, regardless of their score or size. It's basically a repeat of last round: NFI didn't need to hit ND until the last week, because they knew ND would crumble. Replace NFI with Apprime and ND with Imperia and you've got this round's general picture.

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(Hi Mek <3) I think you'll find it was NewDawn's actions that stagnated last round. The actions of NFI HC (+members) lead to us winning the round. I couldn't give a shit if nobody else enjoyed it.

Also, this round the greater similarities are between NFI and Apprime (most active/willing) and NewDawn / Imperia (some activity, poor leadership).*

And however bad I was personally, I never got to the stage whereby I wrote a letter of apology to another alliance saying "we're being picked on and are ending the nap with you not because it makes sense, but because some big boys pushed us down and are being made to do it."

*Oh, mz already just said that :(

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Yeah, that's pretty embarrassing. Well played by Cardi et al.

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Hi, I'm Imperia and my vagina is <-------------------------------------------------------------> this big!

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nah that's our ass....

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Wait ! The other alliances CAN hit themselves ? :D

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so to sum up...
we have another round when the top 2 ally's dont hit each other??

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Ive already said I wont be renewing my ND membership after this round.

ND should have really been on App case since pt 24 for their past few rounds worth of sins.
Not only that Asc have been good NAP partners for the last few rounds would have been nice to return the favour.

Edit - Relation Change 570 Ascendancy and NewDawn have confirmed they are allied. better late than never

Totally agree.

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that summary must have been hidden in a bulls ass. Apprime is #1 and has targeted the #2 and #3 alliance. This is however the first round since round 35 that the top allies DONT nap eachother to eternity.

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ND isnt in 2nd, so this round still has potential!

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Considering how uniformly dreadful that round was I'm not exactly filled with excitement for this one.

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No one was criticizing App, all of that goes to Imp, the very fact that App has hit Imp just makes the situation all the stranger.
Imperia need to work out that politics is not just about themselves, they cant unilaterally declare they are on Apps side and expect that this makes things ok with Apprime; App is probably very happy about the current situation, but i dont see that will help Imp in a weeks time once Asc is dust, (or sooner if we repeat yesterday!).
Imp is now in the position of having no secure relations with anyone, a war with CT and by extension their allies Asc and ND. Really before that silly mail was sent to Asc you needed a very strong commitment from Apprime. The only positive result for Imp is that Asc is also in a bad position, essentially at war with both Imp and App, but thats only positive in the short term, as the old adage goes, if we dont hang together we will surely hang seperately.
Diplomatic history says Isolation is rarely splendid.

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Regarding Apprime: <@mz> they must be laughing their asses off right now

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message to budious or relevent HC...

Don't be the new Santacruz

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How can everyone expect imp to fight alongside asc when asc buddies nd and ct confirms that they will continue to hit imp? And yes, nd hc did say that they would "try" to avoid hitting imp, but only for a period of 3 days. Don't really see such a cooporation beneficial to imp in any case. So imp ended in a situation where they get to chose what alliance they allow to "use" them. In this case it seems app came out on top. Thats probably because app is the only alliance that has done exactly what they said they would all the way. Imp was always gonna have to fight 3 alliances nomatter what, they chose to not cooporate with the 3 alliances that tried to dictate them, shocker..

All it would have taken was a promise from ND that they were not gonna be hostile towards imp a couple days down the line, but asc/nd couldnt give that.

This means that app wins and asc is out of the #1 contest, and all i can say is IN YOUR FACE ASC!

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We've been out of the number one race ever since Apprime demonstrated their superiority about two weeks ago. Don't flatter yourself that it had anything to do with Imperia.

We have offered repeatedly to cooperate with Imperia against Apprime for mutual benefit - feel free to confirm with Buddah, if you're on good enough terms with your own HC.

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They only became our buddies when you rejected us!
I cant say their hostility to you is not short sighted as well, but you are the one put in a worse position by it ultimately as they are the lower alliances.

When did Asc become ND's keeper?
I dont claim to understand this war of yours, but whatever its about I also dont understand why the gulf is so unbridgable, it shouldn't be, and if it is then its your own fault.

We were in a contest for no.1? Yes we fought app, more in hope than expectation though.
We are fighting app because thats what you do with a no.1 alliance, its the way it should be, simply because otherwise its absurdly boring, this is a political game and rankings should therefore drive the politics.
Right now, you not us would be the obvious coalition candidate for no.1, this has been the case for a week or so; IN YOUR FACE IMP!

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Aren't you one of the people who hit me the following day after the avoidance between Ascendancy and Imperia was in place? Also, aren't you one of the people who hit another Ascendancy galaxy alongside Apprime on the second or third day of the avoidance?

How can anyone expect to work with you, hypocrite?

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If Imp wasn't ****ing around, then we could, but with their lies and runaround hits, becoming #1 hostile to ND when we are in a smaller tag, really nothing we can do about this. Why should ND be on App's case when App is kindly leaving us be? App wanted a war with Asc 1 vs. 1, and due to Imperia threats and lies; they got it because it made us want to hit Imp.

Its fine that you leave ND Paisley, if you were any bit active, you would of known daily where ND was standing, as most of the BCs know this. If we were playing in a bigger tag and had the people we lost back, then I would of said we could be in the running, as of now, I guess we are a table turner with CT, in which we are with them til the end of the round. Asc relations are close, and are still close from the beginning of the round til now, but once again, activity m8, you would of known this. Enjoy the rest of your PA m8, was nice having you.

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How is not being hostile towards you for a few days much different from avoiding you for 3 days?

In what way did asc not keep their word so far? And how is asc trying to dictate you? We wanted you to join versus the mutual enemy, who will start farming you guys also as soon as there is nothing left of asc.
And despite what you say, you actually do cooporate with the alliance that dictates you, when you break a nap with asc because apprime tells you to, shocker!

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I know, you've offered, threatened, preassured etc for a good while for Imp to jump into a block.

For the record, my HC doesnt like me all that much, so i piece together the bits and pieces i hear here and there.

Londo, ND and asc has been buddies all round(and for rounds). Asc should have enough political leverage to get ND fleets focused elswhere, if that was what they really wanted.

I've roided with app on 2 occations due to not being able to be around for imp TP. At this point imp had a deal with asc to not organize attacks on asc gals. I didnt organize shit; i asked a friend in app to find me a target and he did. Avoidance and NAP aint the same thing smartass.

DigitalZero, how imp has become ND's most hostile alliance is beyond me. Says a lot about your low level of incs i guess, cause imp havent targetted you with the exception of 2 or 3 night(+ 2 galraids early in the round before imp knew what those gals were). Imp became top hostile by pure luck i guess.

I'm making the same point twice, not pointing out the difference mate :)

No, imp said they wanted to break the official nap with asc because asc didnt target app at the time and imp had incs from ND/CT+APP. Someone in asc broke the nap and imp hasnt targetted asc since... Like said in the various pastebins asc likes to throw around with logs: Imp wanted to go back to neutral with asc to deal with the growing incs from nd/ct.

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The deal was not "not to organize", the deal was to attack and was made clear to you by your HCs. Given that I received an apology from your HCs and one of your mates got kicked from Imperia, you are obviously wrong.

About your "friend", was he a common friend with the three other Imperia members you attacked with? I see you're not only a hypocrite, you're a liar also.

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Not a question of inactivity, Its why bother just out of frustration with Command. My experience of having poor management is... If in disarray let them hang themselves.
Ive had high hopes when I first joined ND as there was good potental.
But I see same things (happy to go into detail with conditions stated in next paragraph.) Just repeating itself and no progress in advancing itself over a 3 round period. Im sad that it will repeat over and over, round after round.

Im not going to hang out NDs dirty washing on AD... at the very least I'll take this up in PM or comment on forums if needed after the round has passed.

totally on the nose.


The good thing about in Game NAP agreements is they make it IMPOSSIBLE TO LAUNCH HOSTILE FLEETS on either party.
"Attacking your own alliance or someone your alliance is NAPed with is not allowed." is the result of attempting this.
My question is... Was it ND or IMP HC who couldn't be arsed to press a few buttons ingame to make this happen?

You know that Apprime (not too late to change things but don't delay) will farm your top planets to please the rank whores if/when they run away with the #1 spot.

Im not pro ASC but they do have a good history of honouring NAP agreements unlike APP.
If In doubt consult the PA Wiki and read the last 10 rounds history.

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From the indications of this sort of comment, Apprime have a chunk of Imperia solidly in their pocket, which would explain a lot about this move and illustrates why Cardi and Apprime have won the political battle this round.

While I expect that this way will work out worse for Imperia, I might still be proven wrong.

We tried, we got them to give some ground, but we couldn't get enough commitment for Imperia, by the sounds of it.

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Say what now!? What happened to the PA I know and love? Well, know, at least. :(

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It's a pretty scary thought! :(

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I wonder how much truth there is in this scenario that imp are warring nd/ct.
Considering I see plenty of imp solo's on targets that are not either alliance it leads me to beleive they are either lieing to avoid getting hit by app or they are being shit and dont know how to fight a war.

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I dont really see why App would hit imp if imp doesnt want to fight them for #1. Apprimes biggest problem every round, is that they have no alliances who are friendly towards them as they constantly burn the bridges to every alliance.

I dont quiet understand why they'd farm imperium when they've already won, when all it would do is cause imperium to dislike apprime in the following rounds.

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you answered the second part with the first did you not?

More seriously the answer is Asc is fast running out of roids, however strong Apps hate for us at some point roid greed will overwhelm it. Thats all its ever really about, wait long enough and app will be strong enough to take on Imp without fear of creating a block that can destroy them, once that point is past there is simply nothing to stop them.

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Don't know what has been bothering you or what drove you to become frustration with command. You can easily open your mouth and say whats on your mind instead of coming here and declaring your time-in ND being up also. With a smaller tag, we are gonna struggle with raids and such, its how it goes, but you were in a position that could help that... PM me or something, I'm not trying to solve this on here.

and

We tagged a small number this round, and its not that you were on the top of the hostiles list, it was when talks where going around with us and asc, you guys decided to hit us full out (the three days you speak of most likely). We were still ready to go with it, but Titos didn't quite understand me when he asked me to hit ODDR, in which I did, and said we could perhaps help their cause. And Firebird talked with APP HC saying how ND has been bugging them to hit APP first 2 weeks. I have yet to speak to FB this round, so the lies that were going around and botched logs, I just didn't see how we could work together especially after speaking to titos this weekend, and then what really strikes me, yesterday imp BCs are back on asking me to hit APP... its a really weird circle I'm dealing with imp.