Explanations of new closure rules by MHs, plz?
 

Can anyone explain to me how they work?
If I m at a m8s place who use a diff. browser than myself, and which only 1 other uses in PA, I will be closed? Do we have to tell the MHs that we are gonna use a different browser? Where is this written in the eula?

If I want someone closed, which I know use a weird browser which no one else uses, can I just DL it, login to my own account, and get myself AND him closed?
Cause thats rather awesome if so!

Bunch of fking idiots ruining PA. <3

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Compulsive cheater who publically condones cheating complains about known cheater in heavily populated cheater gal getting closed for cheating.


Headline news: NOBODY CARES.

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I d like to hear from moderators how you can get away with calling someone a compulsive cheater, an din general telling outright lies.
If someone else had done the same, you would have been banned or atleast warned and post removed.
Lets hope the same happens now.
Feel free to try to justify your outright lies JBG.

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Well well, my main problem really is this: They never tell anyone except the closed planet why they closed him/her. Which sadly happened in my gal second time in a row when I am playing for real.
In both cases I did not understand the arguing to get my gal m8 closed, at least the way he discribed me the reason why he is closed (not even close to be a reason to be closed).
Well to JBG, prolly carDi has bad reputation, but if thats the problem they should NOT allow him to sign up and problem solved and defently not like he said something happened tick 15 and he is closed nearly to tick 600 what hurts the gal way more then clsoing him around the time the event occured.
Suggestion is that, that maybe the multihunters in the next round have a thread where they post why people are closed so everyone knows from them the reason.

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I dont see this getting answered by PA-team as they pretty much do as they like, and they are not accountable to anyone.
That means, If someone gets closed, even if they are completely innocent, it doesnt mean they get reopened

Im tempted to download the same browser and use it to play PA with, so i can get closed too because im fed up with the way this game is run.

you NEED players you idiots, stop chasing them away.

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I have no problem with lying on AD.

I just gave Wishmaster a 4 month ban for his post. I hope we all learn something from this.

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could you guys not have just done your whining on your galaxy forums because outside your gal no-one cares

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Wishmaster,
It states on the ingame overview, which you see every time you login to the game, that if you are sharing a home/work connection with another player that you need to get an exception. It also explains where to go to get the exception.

Nov,
It has been discussed but no decisions have been made regarding the wall of shame idea.

HaNzI,
If you want closed all you have to do is ask and I will close your account for you.

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This isnt AD. :p

DAMN MAN! :(

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This isnt about sharing with someone else who play PA. Its about using different computers / browsers to login to your account. No one has said anything about someone else playing from the same IP....?
Read up woman.

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You're right. I don't know if you've cheated that often. I'll retract that bit, you'll have to excuse my search for a cheap quip leading me to denigrate your honour wish :(

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really?
This has been discussed over and over in many different chans, my gal just being one of them.

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You're right! Easy to get confused, sometimes.

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I d like to think I m one of the few that have cheated the least in PA :p
I bp elviz to make sure he doesnt cheat! <3

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Right, our prisons are full of innocent people, don´t you know? I´ve hardly ever seen a cheater admitting his deeds before, of course a galmate who got closed is likely to tell you the same excuses he tried to talk himself out with. Actually, if you regularly experience galmates getting closed for cheating, you should consider playing with different people - in the end, you got the "usual suspects" in PA one should not and can not trust due to their history.

You don´t get such reputation without reason really. I´d guess most people who live with this reputation have been caught before. They earned it. Even though this reputation might lead to some bias amongst the prosecutors, it´s quite natural to have less doubt about fishy situations involving formerly proven cheaters than completely unknown players.

*EDIT*
Forgot something. Actually, I do sort of agree a few hundred ticks is quite long to actually get to a case, but I have no clue about the exact workload, tools etc of the MHs, so I can´t really judge it.

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This thread isnt about cardi cheating or not.
Its about incompetent MHs and lack of guidelines.

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If an account gets logged into from another country, using a different browser with a language the original account owner doesn't even speak, then yes I'd say that's a closing. How is that incompetence? How on earth would you justify that guy staying open, he obviously gave someone else the password and that alone in a reason for closing.

On a sidenote, I've logged in from at least 3 different browsers and ip's every round for as long as I can remember and never even gotten a warning. None of my mates play pa though, suppose that helps.

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No other country mentioned in OP.
And i believe u can use a browser without understanding the language, it aint rocketscience to write in an url in the adress bar.

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Yo, what I have been told, which may or may not be correct, is that cardis account was logged into with a lith IP, with a dutch browser.
If it was logged into with a dutch ip at pt12, then I REALLY hope the MH tools would catch this ALOT earlier than at pt500ish. IF this is the case, then the closure is a straight forward one, as cardi just a few hours later logs inn again from his regular ip and browser.

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Belgian IP, dutch browser (as in a browser that is only available in dutch, which in turn is only used by 1 other person in pa, cardi would have no reason to use it.) Apparently 10 min later a lith IP then logged on the same account.
Even without the IP thing, I'd say that's a closing. It's not like he was visiting someone and used their dutch browser when he got online like normal so soon after. Like BA said, most likely a vnc screw up (vnc lets you log on to another persons comp where you can then login to the account, so it's next to impossible to prove anything). Prolly the guy forgot to turn it on and then used it 10 min later.

I got nothing against cardi or jintao and I've played with both of them. Truth is, if people really want to cheat the mh's can't catch them, so it's great to get them closed when there is a screw up.

Doubt we are allowed to talk about specific cases so this will be deleted soon!

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I don´t think it´s forbidden for people to discuss about specific cases, it´s just the MHs themselves who do not (and are not allowed to, iirc) talk about any case to people not involved - that means the planet owner in question and other multihunters.

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no this is not correct afaik.
Also why would jintao be closed for that? It makes no sense.

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Presumably because it was his IP that Cardi's account was logged in from.

Come on Wish, you're not stupid, why are you pretending to be. :\

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if this is the case, then sure its a correct closure.
This isnt what cardi told me though, nor what remy says in the logs I ve read....

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The logs where cardi starts throw a wobbler and swearing all over the place? Hardly suprising remy couldn't explain in detail to him.

OTOH remy was rather abrupt when approaching cardi.

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can you just make this right and stop talking about IP.

Cardis account has never been logged into by any other IP then his own, or some lith weedsmoking friend he was at. What remy is closing him for is that he logged in once to his account using a different browser than his regular one.

I fail to see this being mentioned in the rules, so please point out what rule he has broken. Yes I do know you admins are not accountable to anyone, like i said above, so you dont really need rules to close people. It would be nice though for a change to seeing the RULES of this game enforced.

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Smoke. Mirrors. Enough said.

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What the **** is a dutch browser anyways and why on earth would someone in lithuania, someone who's place/browser cardi has only ever logged into pa from once, be using it and what exactly are the odds that this person uses a browser which is rare enough for only one dutch person playing PA to use it who also happens to have been a friend of cardi for a number of rounds and in his alliance?

Wow, it's like a Christmas miracle!


For the record it's wrong that he's closed 600 ticks later or whatever.

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And it doesnt occure to you that one of those is a techinal guru, and the other one smokes enough weed to make Snoop dogg look like an IT-engineer when it comes to computers?

The chance of using the same browser is a trillion times higher when they are good friends compared to being complete strangers. Take into account that the tech-guru most likely told the weedsmoker that "insert browser here" is something he should try. Because it is without doubt something he tried with HIS OWN IP.

And even if they find a way for someone to control cardis account, why on earth would he want that? the man even comes online after 15 beers and 5 joints to launch his fleet.

Or are you telling me that every time i called him, someone else came online in his place, swearing lith and saying he will murder my family? Come on..

Only one person has ever logged into this account, and closing him because he tried a browser a good friend of him recommended is hardly a good reason. and lets not forget that this was done tick 12!

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As cardi would say himself I am ****ing lol here.

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Hey Hanzi, want to try this awesome Japanese browser I found?

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tbh though, this isnt the point of the thread.
WHEN WAS IT A CLOSURE REASON TO USE A DIFF. BROWSER?
thats the question.

Even if I KNOW someone cheats, it doesnt mean I can close him for it. You need valid proof. There is none here.

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I have not seen a single MH stating that this was the reason for the closure. And I guess we will not see such a statement anyway. You guys are just stirring up shit for nothing.

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if thats the case, I am sorry. And the closure is as I ve said before, a straight forward one.
However, this isnt what cardi told me.
No idea if I should believe that retard though :p

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so cardi signing up a new acc does that not signify that he himself accepts he has been caught and accepts his punishment , if he can why cant you (meaning the people in his old gal) do you feel if you whing and moan about it enough he will be re-opened and thus keep your gals chance of #1

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He did cheat, he got caught and got closed. Thats it!

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:crymeariver:

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Just in defence of the MH - they cannot and will not discuss this case or any case with anyone other than the one involved in the case, that person can discuss and/or show logs, lie, defame or generally omit facts/edit logs or say anything to further their case before the general pa populace.

Its highly unlikely that anyone getting closed is going to hold their hands up and say YES - i didnt it to several hundred peple they barely know (possible i guess though), let alone their alliance, possibly to their better known buddies, but then swear them to secrecy !

The MH would have to produce all evidence to prevent the smear campaigns each round, information that may be personal and/or under the terms of signup strictly private !

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Why would you want to ?

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name and shame list would b nice idea tho :P

someone earlier suggested that or talked about that

if someone cheats and is closed due to that then why shouldnt other players in planetarion know about it, the facts and nicks ?

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Considering the fact that the entire game design makes cheating trivial, isn't this whole discussion rather pointless?

And given that it is so very easy to avoid detection anyone that is caught and closed is pretty lame.

And for the record, while I totally accept the need for secrecy while an investigation is ongoing, I can't understand why MH don't state details of the offense once a ruling has been made.
(Well obviously not stuff like IP addresses, but whether its farming, multiple accounts, account sharing or whatever).

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Every man has his needs.

And also, read OP again, there u will see ^ This can be a foreign scum of an who dont have a regular english language browser. Alot of immigrants in every country.

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Presumably Cardi had a different IP accessing his account while using that browser then?

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Two things, I did not know carDi before this round and the other guy that was closed in my gal 2 rounds ago was a random player I didnt know before aswell.
Second yeah well, you know about that inocent ppl. I managed to get closed a few rounds ago aswell, cause a m8 i showed the game to started playing aswell without that i know at start and loged in from uni aswell, shoking behavor MH closed us both, he never started again and it took me 4 freaking days to find someone responsible to talk to, to get reopened again what in the end ofc happened.
And what JBG also sees and actualy the whole ****ing uni should, IF that event that carDi is closed for really happened pre shuffle and he is closed mid round ppl do not need to wonder if others that get effect by that dont wana play the next rounds as it weaknes gal way more then if they removed him pre shuffle point out.

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Instead of fabricating silly reasons just to answer a question. Try to come up with a legitimate reason, why Cardi would need to log on to his account from an Ip in a different country from where he is with a browser in a language he doesn't understand ? Preferably a reason that actually makes sense :)

Unless Cardi can travel really really fast, he was not at a mates place

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I dunno man, drugs can do some strange things to the human body. Maybe he really can move that quick!

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He´s smoking weed. Pretty unlikely it makes him move faster.

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or maybe hes like 90% of the people on IRC that act drunk or high even though they aren't, for the cool image (e.g. anyone that tags |drunk after their nick)

either way, has cardinal given anyone a reason for logging in from a completely dutch browser? not that he has to or anything, but this 'argument' isn't going to go anywhere without at least one party giving their side

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Cardi has been permanently banned from the forums for repeated racism, and the MHs are not allowed to publish details pertaining to cases, closed or otherwise, so I guess no actual information will be forthcoming.

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IF it was a different IP that was used, wich is the big question, its a clear closure without doubt.
But we will never know for sure i guess...