[Christianity] A question to those of religious leanings
In this thread, God does exist. Any comments about God not existing etc... will be unhelpful and a distraction from this question, so pleae refrain yourself from these types of posts.
Now, my question. Now, in the Bible I believe it is said (probably by Jesus) that people should give up their material posessions etc... Even if it does not it is of little relevance here. A murderer (if he does not repent) will go to hell. that is a fact. What of the common man? the western world is far better off than most areas on the planet with most of the countrys wealth being here. Person A is fortunate enough to have been born in one of these afulent countries and get a decent job, making a respectable sum of money. He occasionally gives a little to charity, but not much else. Person A, by choosing to live with slightly lower living standards could donate more money to charity and save potentially thouands of lives. He does not choose to do this. Person A knows that every penny he spends on some useless gadget for his own short-term amusement could have gone on helping others. this is something he knows, but chooses not to think about. His actions have a direct impact on the less fortunate and in some cases result in the death of others due to his inaction. Assuming he repents the rest of his sins (but not this one because he doesn't really think of it as a sin), will this person go to hell for allowing thousands of people to die so he could have a more comfortable lifestyle? |
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repentance doesn't have to be sin specific.
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If you have no remorse for an action then you cannot repent. Any effort will result in God knowing you lied to him. the consequences of this cannot be plesant.
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the church includes this in its all in one bananza. all sins, no worries.
they probably throw "gay sex" in as standard in africa and we get "death by comsuming" for nowt. |
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I was under the impression that, in some situations, if you genuinely don't know it's a sin, it isn't, because knowing is half the battle.
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i assume that person, like all intelligent christians,
will realize the error of his ways on his deathbed, and be saved! |
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Interesting reads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_Hell http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Lib...dy/ibi_4_2.htm (scroll down to Which "hell" should we go to?') Quote from the last link: Quote:
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I think theres a difference between directly murdering someone (ie shooting someone) and indirectly killing someone (ie not giving money to charity).
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Luke 17:29 (King James Version) But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all Quote:
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And while we're at it, can you point to heaven? Maybe in the Andromeda Galaxy? Maybe this one? Or maybe one of these. Thanks. Quote:
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Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; Yeah actually that would be perfect if God could think for me. I would have the mind of Christ. Unfortunately I am still stuck in my intellect for now but someday I pray to be in the spirit where Jesus dwells. |
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Edit: wow I love this painting of Copernicus, I just made it my desktop. |
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Heaven and Hell would obviously be in a different dimension and so cannot be physically pointed at. |
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I hear if you wave your arms around your head and pirouette on one foot while yelling "hocus pocus lack of focus I don't believe in the diplidocus" god appears from the other dimension and gives you a wedgy.
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Sometimes I think people like s|k get confused.
It is not necessary for Christianity to be wrong in order for Traveler to be exposed as stupid. For example when the idea that a fire a brimstone hell was a latter addition to christian doctrine was raised Traveler responded with: Quote:
The problem only arises because christianity doesn't set an entrance exam. |
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I also fail to see what you will gain from such a course of action. |
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Also if you are going to critize me, you should make an argument of some sort and a better effort. |
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trying to be the first person to prove christianity wrong may well only add to the problem |
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I stand by my advice and I do not see what you will gain from your (self confessed) biggoted and intolerent attack on christianity or how it will actually help you achieve any of these things. (not that i would call it an attack as such being that so far it amounts to little more than a soap box rant) |
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Oh falsifiability :o
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s|k is a christpobe with latent Christian tendencies and may actually be a closet Christian. Why else would he react so vehemently?
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So you understand the point, then.
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I try to avoid understanding issues, it detracts from good humour I find.
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I thought humor was the point.
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We're still in the middle of the joke old timer.
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Obviously, why else have religion if not to bring a smile to one's face.
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Stop reverting to name calling. Make your point without being insulting. It only makes your point less credible Quote:
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Now I am not saying that we sat in a coffee shop and shared a doughnut or anything but if you are willing to listen he is there wispering in your ears. He is in your dreams. He shows himself to you in unlikely places. There is no rulebook to finding Christ. No pattern to follow. No pathway to tread. Your journey to God is your own and only you can follow it. It would take several posts for me to share exactly how I came to know Christ and I am still working on writing it down but one day I plan to share my testimony about the glory of God. |
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If you make the argument that "I feel it inside me' well you know a lot of religions and spiritual beliefs are based on internal thoughts and feelings. What you feel for your religion, your connection with god or what have you, others feel that with spirits like in animism, or with their dead relatives like in Shinto. Just bear with me for a minute, here and put aside your doubt, put down your walls and just let's assume that whever your feeling is the result of various chemicals in your brain and other parts of your body. I have taken some pretty powerful drugs in my life, and I will tell you that chemicals can make you feel and see all sorts of shit that isn't real. They are that powerful. So, it's not too much to assume that whatever you are feeling inside is just a normal physiological phenomenon that can seem pretty real, but isn't anything. I think experimentation with drugs has at least shown to me that you just can't trust what you feel inside. I think my experience with mentally ill people, shut up yahwe, has also shown me that chemical 'inbalances' can severely alter people's perception of the world around them, of how they feel, and what emotions they experience. You should not put any credence in what you feel internally, you should not use it as a basis or foundation for a highly unplausible idea. There's absolutely no honesty there, within you. It's chemicals, and perception. If you have nothing else to go by, other than how you feel, you really don't have much to stand on. |
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I know you cannot believe me because I don't think you have been touched by God in a way that makes you say to yourself "Oh S**t, what if this crap is true." I have seen the power of God in my life. I had a dream one night that totally changed my perception from "Well maybe there is a God but maybe there is not" to "God has acknowledged me and affirmed that he does exist and is real." It was the most amazing dream I have ever had even better than the one where I could fly like superman in my 35 years on this earth. The reality of that dream was both shocking and uncomparable. I know that dreams are often not real or can be taken litterally but this dream totally changed my life and my Belief in God. Granted it would take me another 11-12 years before I would believe in Jesus as salvation but that journey is another story. I once saw a car traveling at high velocity crash into an invisible force behind my car and run off the road. I though I was going to die but something (and I will say it had to be God) kept that speeding car from hitting mine in such a way that the car appeared to just suddenly have hit a brick wall. There was no obvious physicall damage to that car but the way it moved did not make sense to me in terms of the dynamics that operate on a vehicle in motion even taking consideration of factors such a tire grip on the road at high speeds and tempertures. Emperical data on the existance of God is both impossible and infinite. |
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All these internalized experiences are really meaningless and could be nothing more than indigestion and an uncritical disposition. |
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