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I find it disgusting that people are allowed to get massive donations and raise to top ranks like that. Shouldn't something being done ?
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Life.. Ahh.. the angry youth
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Donation whores have existed as long as PA itself. I infinately prefer ppl getting em now with 7 weeks to take em down than the mad undignified scramble for salvage in the last few days.
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I'm all in to take his 100k ter DE down now because it is a huge advantage he can carry through the whole round. Who's coming ?
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Donations have been going on like this forever. The gal won't be able to donate to him again and like Londo says rather now than at the end of the round. In this case though I don't know what the MH will have to say, they might try to argue that this was illegal due to the planets being signed up specifically for the purpose of support. I'm not saying they were, I'm simply playing devil's advocate.
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The correct term is actually Paid Sexual Worker, please be mindful that these people have feelings as well. For some people this is the only way that they would have a chance to grow and be on top of anything in their life. what they do with their planets really should be their business as long as it is between consenting adults. |
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It'll be interesting to see whether this guy ends up exiling into a "random" galaxy full (or half-full) of people who also follow this plan.
To paraphrase Einstein (from C&C Red Alert) "Time vill tell........ sooner or later, time vill tell". :) |
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Instead of hating on the player, maybe you should take a look at the rules that makes this possible. Late sign ups have been doing it for ages aswell, is that fair? I think the whole donation system needs to be reworked, possibly deleted all together. |
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Exiling would be absolutely loopy, the motivation from his galm8s point of view is that his being a tough nut to crack will also make the gal tougher, to then leave is just absurd.
Why does everyone leap to the assumption its all about the planet's personal aggrandizement? when actually so much in this game is about the collective, be it gal or alliance. |
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Round 33 we donated around 2m value res hacked by our covopper and mined from our late starters to 3 different planets throughout the round. Some of these were given to planets that were top 100 value at the time.
So hardly anything new, apart from that it was done early in the round. |
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Let's see how it goes. |
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Londo pretty much summed it up. Some players noticed the maximum donation limit was 50 million and aimed to get it done asap. If the galaxy planets reset, they leave the galaxy.
They've sacrificed their planets and are relying on being Xans; the 1 Terran in no way can cover them. The 1 Terran can also in no way get any large amounts of xp or anything more than minimum cap. He can't hit many more than the top 30-50 planets, if that. I think he's going to struggle to get roids whilst others stockpile them. Whilst the MH have the final say, I'm actually interested to see if he finishes top 10 this round. I'm not sure he will. Edit: Also, any attackers stealing his roids will get pretty high xp and so catch him up more quickly |
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I'm not sure finishing top 10 is, or ever was, his plan, tbh!
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However the more indignation is generated the less likely it is to prove beneficial overall if it proves to attract rather than ward off incs. |
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THESTOOM APPROVES THIS THREAD. |
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I'm pretty sure MH won't find anything wrong they're too busy hunting nipples and ass cracks on gal banners anyway :p
Massive donation of startup bonuses is clearly an exploit to me and should be dealt with right away, but if the people responsible for the game are OK with it, I just have to stfu... or leave. I'm probably getting too old. |
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Makhil, why is it an exploit? The word has negative connotations, so you must feel it harms the game in some way. I would like to know what that way is, in your opinion.
On an informative sidenote, the people involved have stated that they're not planning to exile. |
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I wouldnt want to see donations gone completely: In the past when Ive been a GC I have often organised ingal def to prioritise the big guys and then give out donations to those that lost, usually not much but enough to make em feel the gal isnt all about a couple of ppl.
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Donations were introduced to help late starters get up to speed or help people to rebuild after a big loss (hence the below average limitations)
If some planets want to save resources to give them later to smaller planets it's alright. But that startup bonuses are massively donated to a planet just to put it on top with an outrageous advantage of 100k TER DE doesn't look right to me. Startup bonuses shouldn't be donated, only used by the planet... or donations forbiden until tick xxx. ATM it is too big an advantage early on for a single planet using what i consider support planets. |
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its 97k TER DE and multiple people have already stated several negatives in this thread.
again, what is the reason you think this is an exploit? surely if it were, he would be closed right now. |
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However for some reason they turned my report down! :salute: |
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"Arguments in favor of the cheating view involve the spirit of the game and the potentially damaging effects of the exploit on the game's community"
That people register planets with the intention of giving away their startup bonuses to another prearranged player at the start of the game is to me against the spirit of this game and against the idea why donations were introduced in the first place. I'm not sure it hurts the community though as there is too little left of it to matter. and yes MZ it's purely subjective, i'm giving my opinion based on my feelings... i'm not preaching gospel. |
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The spirit of the game is cooperation. This can be seen from the fact that planets cannot do well without the support of an alliance, without the support of a decent galaxy and without a reasonable network of friends. It can also be seen from the fact that alliance frequently work together, which has in fact now been formalised ingame as well, with the introduction of the NAP-system. Furthermore, as Zaejii said, donations have been used in the past to give late sign ups a boost up the rankings, as well as in other situations. PA is more a game of cooperation than it is a game of combat.
I do not believe rules should not have a "spirit". If you can't rigorously define what is not allowed, it should not be defined at all. But if we for a minute assume the support planet rules do have a "spirit", it's that people without tag or in tag X cannot dedicate a significant portion of their time and effort to the furthering of the goals of tag Y. The same can be said of galaxies. However, people are entirely allowed to support someone in their own tag. And again, the same goes for galaxies. In this particular case, the people in 10:4 are all in the same alliance as well as (obviously) the same galaxy. Therefore, the "spirit" of the support planet rule has not been violated. The people in 10:4 have said they're doing it to show that the donation system is broken. I disagree with this assessment. There are many effective and legitimate uses for it, for example the aforementioned boosting of late sign ups. I don't see this case as being particularly different from what has happened in the past, except maybe as far as effectiveness is concerned. I do not think this will do the guy they donated to much good. He'll have a big planet for a while, but he will be unable to cap many roids because of his value, which will stunt his growth, while his galaxy's growth is also stunted because they gave away all their value and won't be able to gain roids either. In a couple of weeks the guy they donated to will be just as big as he would have been if he had played normally, while his galaxy will be smaller than they would have been if they'd played normally. And I haven't even touched on how the guy they donated to will get through the coming night. In order for this strategy to be called an "exploit", it has to have some tangible gain for the people that use it while harming those who do not. Based on the above reasoning, I fail to see how this strategy can be said to meet either of those criteria. **** subjectivity. |
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Also, donations may of been used in the past to give late signups a boost but there is a huge difference between boosting a lower value/score new planet to catch up with the rest of the universe and boosting someone to be 2x the size of the #1 planet. Quote:
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He may only be able to get minimum cap on most (if not all) planets in the universe but he can now 3 fleet with 3 fleet decent fleets and he can hit the top planets with a very very strong possibility of landing all the time. Quote:
If he decides to join an alliance attack and the galaxy decides to defend against the huge fleet, then isnt that diverting more galaxy fleets than would otherwise allowing other members to land? Its clearly an exploit and the donation rule should be changed to avoid this situation from happening again. |
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You also appear to be forgetting that 7 other people basically ruined their own rounds to make this happen. 7 people that could've sent 21 fleets on the same galaxy that now only gets 3 fleets incoming. It might also be worth mentioning at this point that he can't actually attack anyone right now, except for one guy in his own alliance. |
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What Light is trying to say is; Poor planets that are currently #2-#10 that might get roided by the big bad wolf up top. If its such a horrible thing, get your gal / ally to do the same and fight the power.. Its not like it was a one off chance, now its too late to do it! OH NOES
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honestily, private gals vs random gals is an "exploit"!
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the spirit of the game was (in my mind) that all the players start with the same chances. Getting the startup bonuses from other planets is pure cheating to me. you can split hairs in as many parts you want and write pages of clinical explanation/demonstration, your blablabla won't change what I think about that cheater.
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what are the odds of makhill joining the mh soon?
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Obviously, youŽve been tricked. BA managed to pull off a risky move, and now youŽre afraid he might succeed. However, he did use mechanics supplied by the game, completely within the rules. You may call this move lame, but not cheating. I know for sure one example of donations that certainly was worse than this, greenhills (I think) getting donated to #1 end of round (by the gal fund, not crashers). IŽm also pretty sure the donation limits were cut after that round. BlueArmy did not gain any advantage that wasnŽt possible to get for anyone else (which is pretty much the definition of "unfair advantage" iirc). The opening post expresses your disgust about this move. Fair enough, you are, without doubt, entitled to your oppinion. However, if you think there "should be done something", you should actually back up your oppinion by understandable arguments above the level of your personal feelings. mz pointed out flaws in the strategy, he pointed out why this probaqbly canŽt be called exploit. What did you do to back your point of view? You could just have well ended your opening post with "flame away" - this thread is mostly trolling because youŽre pissed off, nothing more. IŽll happily be proven wrong if you can actually find rational arguments on this matter. |
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your gal donate resources to your late starter most of the time, so there really is no difference here just that it wasn't a late starter
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Its pretty clear donations arnt meant to be used like this. Quote:
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So he can cap with 3 fleets and get 10% roidgain from each fleet to 90+ roids a night? Yet you're also arguing that he cant cap that many roids? Quote:
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ITT: light being wrong...as usual.
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