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DarkHeart 27 Aug 2007 02:12

http://www.planetarion.com/
 
ummm

i just loaded up and fk me thats striking

gj whoever did it, hope the rest of the new site / portal is as fking fit as that

Makhil 27 Aug 2007 02:16

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great logo, great choice of color (very dramatic) I love it :)

The banner at the bottom needs a good relooking. Now that you have a logo, use it plz...

Eternity 27 Aug 2007 11:14

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Why does it say there are 4 races?

I count 5.....

Veedeejem! 27 Aug 2007 11:26

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I love the logo, great job to whoever made it :)

lokken 27 Aug 2007 12:13

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the text below could do with a better font, to be honest.

Smudge 27 Aug 2007 23:34

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I hax0red the jolt servers and found this

Planetarion Portal v2.0a

Appocomaster 27 Aug 2007 23:54

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You confused me :(
i thought someone had redirected to the actual portal from the development address and everyone had seen the whole thing.
I had to make a double take :D
Smudge: if you css it up...

GReaper 31 Aug 2007 15:02

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It's finally live!

Looks reasonably nice, but still needs a fair amount of work. I just hope that you'll have the motivation to finish it, to improve it where needed, and most importantly to update it on a regular basis.

Kal 31 Aug 2007 15:45

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Originally Posted by GReaper
It's finally live!

Looks reasonably nice, but still needs a fair amount of work. I just hope that you'll have the motivation to finish it, to improve it where needed, and most importantly to update it on a regular basis.

Its still very much a temporary solution. Large amounts of it are currently disabled. We aim to increase the funcitonality over the course of the round.

paolo 31 Aug 2007 17:26

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It looks great!

Why do you have announcements going back to round 11 though? Or creators hour dating back to 20/10/03?

Mistwraith 31 Aug 2007 17:37

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very nice ... now dont forget the link to the com unit this time :P

-=10us=- 31 Aug 2007 17:51

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great work, nice design! cant wait untill its fully functional.

i love the archive of the old creator hours etc.

Illuvatar 31 Aug 2007 18:23

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I've seen the beta forum design what AndroX made and that looked far better:mad:

sorry but :down:

Kal 31 Aug 2007 18:29

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There is now a matching forums skin "Planetarion 2.0". Feel free to comment on this all the portal and we will see what we can do about visual improvements while the portal coding is completed.

GReaper 31 Aug 2007 18:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal
There is now a matching forums skin "Planetarion 2.0". Feel free to comment on this all the portal and we will see what we can do about visual improvements while the portal coding is completed.

Any chance of slightly fewer adverts? They're badly placed and it ruins the layout.

Kal 31 Aug 2007 19:06

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Originally Posted by GReaper
Any chance of slightly fewer adverts? They're badly placed and it ruins the layout.

its the same ad banner scheme as on the portal. Its mandatory on all jolt sides. On the portal it doesn't currently look as bad as there is no vertical banner in the current rotation - the forums skin however still contains test images.

The vertical and horizontal banners have to be connected as shown in the forums layout - if you can think of a better way to lay them out without breaking that rule please suggest it and we will gladly investigate.

Makhil 31 Aug 2007 23:25

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the header is the nicest part of the portal, for the rest there is far too many different colors used, there's no unity, no identity. Should have stayed in the reds, with some parts highlighted by another color (login box, news...).
The same guy worked on the whole portal ? It feels like some else took over after the header...

wakey 31 Aug 2007 23:34

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I have to agree the colour scheme ruins it. Its like someone who is colourblind to 90% of the colours decided the colours as theres so many colour clashes. If the colour problems could be sorted it would be great

Allfather 1 Sep 2007 01:02

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Props to whomever did this, but am I the only one who gets a flashback to the year 2000 when it comes to the actual design?

Rinoa 1 Sep 2007 05:56

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I can only speak for anyone with a remote interest in graphics when i say ... LOL

Rinoa 1 Sep 2007 05:59

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And is there any reason the advertising has to go centre high, right where our focus is? Surely for the amount effort Jolt put in we can lump it down the bottom somewhere.

Did u steal that back ground pic from a gorillaz cd or somethin :salute:

Kal 1 Sep 2007 10:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wakey
I have to agree the colour scheme ruins it. Its like someone who is colourblind to 90% of the colours decided the colours as theres so many colour clashes. If the colour problems could be sorted it would be great

Which colours don't you like? (I'm assuming you mean portal, as forums skin colours haven;t been sorted yet). The whole portal is mainly red/black. With a few areas being highlighted in different colours so you notice them.

Kal 1 Sep 2007 10:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinoa
And is there any reason the advertising has to go centre high, right where our focus is? Surely for the amount effort Jolt put in we can lump it down the bottom somewhere.

Did u steal that back ground pic from a gorillaz cd or somethin :salute:

If you try out the beta of the forums scheme the reason for the ad banner location will become apparent. At times there is also a vertical ad banner that connected to the horizontal one. This is the new ad banner scheme used across all jolt sites. If, when a veritcal banner is present you have a look at some other jolt sites I think you'll agreee with me that our layout and design looks a hell of a lot better than the other jolt sites :)

Ultimate Newbie 1 Sep 2007 11:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal
If you try out the beta of the forums scheme the reason for the ad banner location will become apparent. At times there is also a vertical ad banner that connected to the horizontal one. This is the new ad banner scheme used across all jolt sites. If, when a veritcal banner is present you have a look at some other jolt sites I think you'll agreee with me that our layout and design looks a hell of a lot better than the other jolt sites :)

That;s a bit wierd - if the banner is so crap, and is the cause of crapness over multiple Jolt pages due to the fact that having Jolt advertising is compulsory, why not ask Jolt to fix their unusual/crap ad banner format/size/position : if it must be displayed, then it should at least not ruin the page that its on (as it detracts from the purpose of the advertising).

Appocomaster 1 Sep 2007 11:18

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Apparently "roadblocking" is all the rage now :)

wakey 1 Sep 2007 11:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal
Which colours don't you like? (I'm assuming you mean portal, as forums skin colours haven;t been sorted yet). The whole portal is mainly red/black. With a few areas being highlighted in different colours so you notice them.

The Red and Black i don't think is too bad, although if you look at most design guides they do state that red and black shouldn't be used together. I personally cant work out why red and black shouldn't be used as they seem to go pretty well but im not a designer

Its when you throw the green/blues in with the red. It clashes like hell and red and greens are top of the list of colours that shouldn't be used from a design pov. It just cheapens the whole design and makes it look more like a "My first Webpage using Frontpage" than the professional looking site it could and should look like

Mit 1 Sep 2007 12:10

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Wakey - red / black is bad for people who are Red/Green colour blind - as the reds show as shades of Grey, but not with the variation of shades of grey enough to distinguish dark red from black. (as I understand it from the colour blind designer at work).

As for the design, I got pointed to it lastnight as friends were askign me if things were working for me, as they weren't for them. Striking - my first impression, its been said already, there definately is too much different colour schemes going on. if the red/black was going to be the one, that should have been stuck with throughout the design. To me, it looks like a selection of required elements designed independantly and thrown at a page.

Allfather 1 Sep 2007 12:12

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Woke up this morning, and decided to try and like the design of it again.
I couldnt, it just looks horrible :(
Hopefully the code and new stuff for it is good, cause the design (sadly) looks like something designed in notepad in the late 90s :(

GReaper 1 Sep 2007 13:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Newbie
That;s a bit wierd - if the banner is so crap, and is the cause of crapness over multiple Jolt pages due to the fact that having Jolt advertising is compulsory, why not ask Jolt to fix their unusual/crap ad banner format/size/position : if it must be displayed, then it should at least not ruin the page that its on (as it detracts from the purpose of the advertising).

I have to agree. I can understand that ads are compulsory, but maybe you should try and reach a compromise to make sure the ads displayed are effectively without annoying people too much.

Quite a few other forums have the horizontal advert displayed after the first post in each thread due to the way people read the forums. Your eyes are most likely going to ignore anything in typical advert areas (top/sides/bottom), but if you're reading through a thread and it appears after the first post then you'll probably catch a glimpse of it before reading the second post in a thread.

In 1024x768 the logo and advert bar takes up half the screen, in 1280x1024 it takes up about a third. Removing the top logo and rearranging the welcome message could push up the forum content.

Kal 1 Sep 2007 13:30

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Originally Posted by GReaper
I have to agree. I can understand that ads are compulsory, but maybe you should try and reach a compromise to make sure the ads displayed are effectively without annoying people too much.

Quite a few other forums have the horizontal advert displayed after the first post in each thread due to the way people read the forums. Your eyes are most likely going to ignore anything in typical advert areas (top/sides/bottom), but if you're reading through a thread and it appears after the first post then you'll probably catch a glimpse of it before reading the second post in a thread.

In 1024x768 the logo and advert bar takes up half the screen, in 1280x1024 it takes up about a third. Removing the top logo and rearranging the welcome message could push up the forum content.

I understand your point - but this is jolt wide, we have no say in how jolt decides to operate its ads system, we just have to comply with it. As I said before I think our particualr design makes the ads "fit" with the page better than the other jolt sites.

Awake 1 Sep 2007 13:34

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I didn't like it initially when I first saw it, like most others the colour scheme was what turned me off it.

I think if a common set of colours was decided upon it would dramatically improve it.

I like the layout & concept though and look forward to seeing more content appear soon :-)

Kal 1 Sep 2007 13:35

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I've pointed the designer at this thread so he can have a read through and see what people think.

Personally I like the use of colour... but then I also like Windows XP and Windows Vista default colour schemes :p

Awake 1 Sep 2007 13:41

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Originally Posted by Kal
Personally I like the use of colour... but then I also like Windows XP and Windows Vista default colour schemes :p

I agree with you about Vista. XP though...oh dear :(

wakey 1 Sep 2007 14:11

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I had adblock on so didn't notice the banner ad, was wondring why the login was positioned so weirdly :)

Anyway knocking it off and the banner ad really doesnt go, as the page seems to be be done in % widths it leave a massive gap between the login box and the ad and looks pretty daft. Would work alot better if the width was set to a certain amount and not a percentage so the ad and the login sit side by side. Would probably also look better if the ad space seemed part of the sites design (like it is in jolts page) rather than looking as if its just floating in an unused page are

Kal 1 Sep 2007 14:14

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Originally Posted by wakey
Anyway knocking it off and the banner ad really doesnt go, as the page seems to be be done in % widths it leave a massive gap between the login box and the ad and looks pretty daft. Would work alot better if the width was set to a certain amount and not a percentage so the ad and the login sit side by side. Would probably also look better if the ad space seemed part of the sites design (like it is in jolts page) rather than looking as if its just floating in an unused page are

orginally the login box did stretch to meet the ad banner - but it looked really odd so was changed.

How woudl you further integrate the ads into the design?

wakey 1 Sep 2007 14:18

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AHHHHHH just checked the forum theme and its awful. The ads are just way too big for the forum and simply dont fit in. And the one down the side just makes it look cluttered and doesnt help make the top ad look unobtrusive. I would much rather see ads the size of those at the top of laryfish theme between the posts like other forums do than the ones down the side

Kal 1 Sep 2007 14:21

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Originally Posted by wakey
AHHHHHH just checked the forum theme and its awful. The ads are just way too big for the forum and simply dont fit in. And the one down the side just makes it look cluttered and doesnt help make the top ad look unobtrusive. I would much rather see ads the size of those at the top of laryfish theme between the posts like other forums do than the ones down the side

read up - i said its still being worked on. And I also explained why the two ads have to be positioned next to each other. i.e. the vetical ad has to connect to the right hand side of the horizontal ad. That pretty much restricts you to placing them somewhere on the top right side of things.

wakey 1 Sep 2007 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal
orginally the login box did stretch to meet the ad banner - but it looked really odd so was changed.

How woudl you further integrate the ads into the design?

So if it looked odd streatching the login box just change the page width, it really doesn't need to be set at 100%, just a static value that allows everything to fit in well while making it fit without scrollbars on 1024+

As for how to integrate the ad more, i'm not a designer so i'm probally not the best person to ask and others can probally answer you better but most professional looking sites that run ads look as if the ads were supposed to be there and the layout was designed with them in mind which the portal just doesnt. I'm sure even something simple like making it sit in a box like the rest of the sections are would go a long way to making it seem more part of the site rather than an afterthought

Allfather 1 Sep 2007 14:33

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Tried w3 website to validate the new portal, it refused.

This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
Result: Failed validation, 196 Errors

Kal 1 Sep 2007 14:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wakey
So if it looked odd streatching the login box just change the page width, it really doesn't need to be set at 100%, just a static value that allows everything to fit in well while making it fit without scrollbars on 1024+

The width is fixed by the top logo image. I think thst stretching the top logo would be a mistake and dilute the brand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakey
As for how to integrate the ad more, i'm not a designer so i'm probally not the best person to ask and others can probally answer you better but most professional looking sites that run ads look as if the ads were supposed to be there and the layout was designed with them in mind which the portal just doesnt. I'm sure even something simple like making it sit in a box like the rest of the sections are would go a long way to making it seem more part of the site rather than an afterthought

You can't put a border round it becuase then the two ads wouldn;t touch and they need to.

wakey 1 Sep 2007 14:39

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I cant help but think its somewhat shortsighted by jolt to force site design to be governed by the ad's. I have no problem with their being ad's on the forums, hey id be perfectly happy for their to even be more but it shouldnt detract from the looks as they are after al trying to sell people the product of PA and it should come across professional.

Look at Jolts main site for example, while its on their forums like it is here its not on their main site. Instead they use the ad on the portal, the smaller ads seen on themes like lairyfish and small square ads as those are the ones that fit in with their site. The forum could easierly support more of the smaller ads so that just as much of the page, if not more were ads than is possible with the system we see while maintaining the look

Kal 1 Sep 2007 14:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wakey
I cant help but think its somewhat shortsighted by jolt to force site design to be governed by the ad's. I have no problem with their being ad's on the forums, hey id be perfectly happy for their to even be more but it shouldnt detract from the looks as they are after al trying to sell people the product of PA and it should come across professional.

Look at Jolts main site for example, while its on their forums like it is here its not on their main site. Instead they use the ad on the portal, the smaller ads seen on themes like lairyfish and small square ads as those are the ones that fit in with their site. The forum could easierly support more of the smaller ads so that just as much of the page, if not more were ads than is possible with the system we see while maintaining the look

I have a feeling they forgot to upload the ad code to the forums... as they shouldn;t have a vertical ad present if the main site doesnn't (as far as I know)

wakey 1 Sep 2007 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal
The width is fixed by the top logo image. I think thst stretching the top logo would be a mistake and dilute the brand.

No its not, resize your browser window and watch the header mand watch the header grow. Its set to a percentage width not a fixed width. The header could be reduced so it doesnt fill the page thus making the whole design look alot tighter


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You can't put a border round it becuase then the two ads wouldn;t touch and they need to.
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The portal doesnt have a side ad, and it cant posible ever have a side ad thats touching the top ad as theres content where it needs to go

Kal 1 Sep 2007 15:43

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Originally Posted by wakey
The portal doesnt have a side ad, and it cant posible ever have a side ad thats touching the top ad as theres content where it needs to go

the ad goes on top of the content.

AndroX 1 Sep 2007 16:12

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hmm, the new layout of the 'new' portal is nice.

Graphics wise its a bad choise for planetarion. Here's my reasons why:

1) the background content image makes the font blurry on wider screen resolutions - makes people stop browsing thus not selling planetarion to new players
2) the background content image distracts you from reading its content - makes people stop browsing, thus not selling planetarion
3) the colour choise is poor (not bad), and not selling planetarion.
4) The jolt banner rotation script at top distracts 'new' to be players to what the page is about. It tells them they're on another page then Planetarion page to much. - again doesnt sell planetarion.
5) the main content is set to one whole, makes the page unclear and harder to read. In other terms, new to be players wouldnt know what to read and thus close the page - not selling planetarion.
6) paying some1 for making such a design is wasting money. Wasting money on a) the designer, b) not getting new players to planetarion via the main portal.
However Im not saying that you shouldn't pay a designer, its just the design itself thats not thought over. The portal design itself is as important as the game and gameplay itself. As its the face of planetarion. You have to sell planetarion from what people see when they open the main portal page. In no case this current 'new' portal sells planetarion to new players.


thats just my two cents, and if needed I'm open for suggestions or designs (even based on current graphics) to help out planetarion and its community grow. ( Player Base Grow; something the currently portal wont achief).

Mit 1 Sep 2007 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wakey
AHHHHHH just checked the forum theme and its awful. The ads are just way too big for the forum and simply dont fit in. And the one down the side just makes it look cluttered and doesnt help make the top ad look unobtrusive. I would much rather see ads the size of those at the top of laryfish theme between the posts like other forums do than the ones down the side

Good lord... I hadn't looked until now... erm. That is bad.

vBulletin is a nightmare to skin, I know this, we manage many community forums at work.

Again the same theme of putting bad colours together seems to have followed onto the forums... currently on screen in this editor for one... I can see white on grey (just), yellow on grey (eww) light blue on grey.

For those that are interested - A while back I was approached to put a 'bid' in to re-develop the portal, I did this. While my mockup was not 'great' by any stretch, it was to show an idea of what could be done layout wise - http://tim.igoe.me.uk/files/Planetarion.png

That design was in no way final; but something I knocked up to go with the bid.

Spritfire 1 Sep 2007 22:31

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So you was to expensive mit ?

That looked simple and good

Mit 1 Sep 2007 22:34

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Originally Posted by Spritfire
So you was to expensive mit ?

That looked simple and good

I don't know on that one :) I heard very little after I submitted my bid.

One of the major things we do at work is community sites / portals etc mainly for console gaming more than web based gaming, but I was going to use that experience to aid Planetarion.

Kargool 1 Sep 2007 23:20

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I love Myk, he's a great coder, but I have to say that I think the color choice should have been made slightly different.

But then again, I got no skills with graphics so I am not the one to yell at Myk for being crap.

But seriously, it looks like one of those bad myspace pages for goth chicks with identity/sexual issues pages, i was just waiting for Avril Lavange (sp.) to start playing some depressive chick song.

Nadar 1 Sep 2007 23:36

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Lavigne.


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